Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Psychopathy And Holistic Chemistry - (Part 1)

An Anonymous Reader left a comment that I am going to respond to in the following...
"Now the interesting thing is that with neurotypicals, cortisol will reduce their feelings of love and connection with others. Showing and receiving love and connection with others will have the opposite effect and reduce cortisol and stress."
My knowledge of chemistry is very limited, but it is an area I intend to learn more about. At present I'll admit I don't even know the molecular structure of the more commonly known active substances like f.x. Dopamine, Serotonin or Adrenaline, and about Cortisol I know only that it's a steroid which plays a role in creating appropriate responses to effects of stress on the body by among other things elevating blood sugar levels and inhibiting the immune system (with the purpose of maximizing the body's effective ability to deal with danger and threat for a limited time). If I'm not mistaken Cortisol is being produced by the Adrenal Gland.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that a propensity for love and affection will tend to lower Cortisol levels quicker in neurotypical people than in psychopaths, and that seems like a logical assumption.

Whether showing love and affection will lower stress is probably a question of more complexity and therefore not as easily answered, since love and affection depend on interactive cooperation individuals in between. If you show love towards a person who is about to kill you whether or not you show love towards him, your love may lower your stress levels, but it will also lower you ability to prevent it from happening because your alertness and readiness to protect yourself are subdued. And this raises the question about whether love is an appropriate response in stressful situations.

Some might argue that love can turn the situation around, emotionally "disarm" a hostile attacker, and such has been known to happen(1*). But it is also known to be a minority of exceptions to the most common and likely outcome of such an approach in a situation of this nature.

So in this respect it generally isn't productive to lower your physical ability to respond and react efficiently to threats. But it is certainly productive to be able to lower stress levels when there is no longer any threat, and this is something that many people struggle with - though psychopaths are not among them. Indeed, psychopaths are known to have markedly lower than average levels of Anxiety, Nervousness, and Fear (ref. this example, an excerpt from a text by Hervey Cleckley).

I should mention that some Secondary Psychopaths, as well as Sociopaths, do suffer from Generalized Anxiety. But for as far as someone fills the requirements for a psychopathy diagnosis, his personality constellation will still make the idea of love and connection problematic. I try to explain the reasons for this in other articles and will renew my efforts to do so in future publishings as my knowledge and writing skills improve and I believe I can convey my thoughts, knowledge and experience more effectively.

"BUT with extreme psychopaths, they are so damaged ..."
This statement is subject to some dispute. The last several decades of research points to a different conclusion, that psychopathy isn't one but several related conditions which can be divided into two crudely simplified categories. One is termed Primary Psychopathy (or psychopathy defined by mainly Factor One Traits) and the other is Secondary Psychopathy (or psychopathy defined by mainly Factor Two Traits).I describe Primary/Factor One Traits and Secondary/Factor Two Traits in some detail here.

Primary Traits refer to lack or absence of certain emotions with origin in the person's genetic make up. The Primary Psychopath is born that way, he did not become that way and were not caused to become that way by being damaged - unless you think about damage during the fetal stage, in which case we talk about Synthetic Psychopathy. Synthetic Psychopathy can happen at any time in life by severe trauma to one or more among certain parts of the brain.

Secondary Traits refer to specific behavioral patterns which have at least some origin in Environmental Aspects such as exposure to physical or mental abuse and/or neglect during upbringing or very early on in life.

It is the Secondary Traits that are connected to damage, and in this sense I guess you can say at least a good part of psychopaths are damaged to some extent. Then again, this does not account for why they have become psychopaths as there are undeniably a very large number of people who have been subjected to the same, or likewise, debilitating abuse during upbringing or throughout their lives, and who are not psychopaths.

The answer to this "paradox" is that psychopathy is largely a question about personality. Indeed, the question - in my convinced opinion - is not so much if somebody is a psychopath as if that somebody has been taught/given the tools and the opportunity to form a life that doesn't create acessive damage towards other people that he comes into contact with throughout his life. as things are at present in society, where the mainstream has no knowledge about what psychopathy is and therefore also has no way of recognizing a future psychopath in a disconducted and unresponsive or rebellious child, it is no wonder that the approximately 1% of the population who are psychopaths are involved in so much damage and discomfort on various levels of society.

"... that love and connection (i.e. EQUALITY with others) will actually cause them stress as they must totally repress this in their mind to prevent enormous pain."
As you correctly have said, love and connection doesn't happen to psychopaths. We generally don't experience it, and if or when we do, it is fleetingly and in small ways. I think I have felt at least strong sympathy several times, but I have to say it has never given me the least sense of pain or discomfort. Quite the contrary, and there have been cases where I was disappointed when the connection was broken and the other party left.

More often it has been me who tired of the experience, but again there was no pain involved and I moved on without regret.

With this in mind, and my knowledge that I am far from unique as a person who has been diagnosed with psychopathy, I doubt that the absence of connection and love in psychopaths has anything to do with pain. Indeed, I don't think even Secondary Psychopaths experience pain in relation to connection and love, because they lost the ability to form bonds and feel love before they had ever heard the words 'connection' or 'love'. What they do suffer from is anxiety, and a lot of us experience anger and frustration every now and then.

I have to conclude - at least for the time being - that since a psychopath has never experienced love and connection that he could feel pain about, I don't see how what you describe would be the case. Maybe I misunderstand you, maybe you can elaborate?

Secondary Psychopaths - and to some extent most psychopaths - have experienced Absence of love and connection, and this would be painful to a little child, provided the child had the neurological wiring required for a person to experience 'connectedness' or love. The damage to a psychopath has happened before any love or connection was experienced to begin with. What you are describing could refer to several other categories of Personality Disorders, among which the one that comes closest to resembling psychopathy is Borderline Personality Disorder. People with this condition can, and often do, on occasion behave much like a psychopath. But note that I say 'like' a psychopath, there's an important difference, and Psychopathy and Borderline Personality Disorder are NOT the same thing.

"Most psychopaths may not be this bad and compartmentalise things a bit more but generally they view the world very irrationally as they can't stand EQUALITY just as a scientist can't stand IRRATIONALITY they also have a misguided view of the world." 
I have to object to the part of this statement concerning psychopaths' ability to 'stand' Equality. I will explain and use myself as an example:

It is true that in my interactions with other people I tend to be 'above' the rest, there's no denying it and I don't care to deny it. However, I do not by definition choose to take this position at any time and for it's own sake, it all depends on a variety of things, one of which probably is obvious: Getting what I want as easily and with least possible effort and fewest possible obstacles is undeniably easier if you're the boss. But this is not what you think to be my motivation, is it? If I'm correct, you meant to say that psychopaths take the 'superior' position because they can't tolerate being on level with others, even if they don't loose anything by being so.

This is where I disagree. It's just not how it works. I have on many occasions been very much equal with others that I interacted with, and it honestly didn't bother me one bit. Why not? Because I had, and I got, what I wanted and needed as things were, there was simply no need to waste energy on becoming superior, and certainly not just for the sake of being superior in the eyes of others. When I am content I care nada about how others see me, this is a fact and I'm not alone with this personality trait.

I think this belief about psychopaths wanting to be superior just for the sake of looking better and stronger than everybody else may be a remnant of the common mistaking of psychopathy with narcissism. The two are not the same.

That said, it is true that I do tend to end in the 'superior' position. And the same is the case with a good number of psychopathic people. So why do we do this? In my view there's several factors at play. One is the fact that psychopaths really do see themselves as marvellous, great beings who can fill any position, including leading everybody else. But there's also the fact that most normal people do not see themselves in the same way, and that is reflected in how they behave and respond to a person who is naturally assertive.

I think psychopaths so often end up as seemingly superior because both we ourselves, and others around us, perceive us this way. It's a result of interpersonal dynamics.

Look at it this way: If you could easily out maneuver almost everybody you meet in any setting, and you knew it would give you privileges - and let's remember that you, if you were a psychopath, did not have the need for bonding or connectivity, just as you would not be responsive to the stress people around you feel when you display dominant behavior - wouldn't you take them when they were apparently given to you so willingly? Of course you would... or rather, of course you would if you were a psychopath.

Still, it would not be motivated by a need in you to look superior. To be as frank as I can possibly be about it: I truly do not care if I'm equal with people around me, provided I get what I need and want. What's more, I am not unique in this respect. Indeed, I have met plenty of psychopaths who didn't care about putting themselves in a leading or superior position if their lives depended on it. Some of these people have lived all their lives at the bottom of society being petty thieves and drug addicts. If they get their pitiful fix of drugs or excitement by stealing a random stranger's wallet in passing, they're satisfied....AND they're convinced that they are marvelous - and superior in spite of the obvious!

This last sentiment is something most psychopaths share, and I am no exception. However, I believe I have good reason to feel this way, and I will add that I am not arrogant or contemptuous because of it. On the other hand, I can't make myself feel differently when I keep seeing what I feel proves me right. Another thing is that I don't believe I'm a bad person for being aware that I'm superior to most other people. If I was, all leaders throughout the existence of our species (and all other species as well) would be bad, and we know they're not. But there's not much I can do about it, I honestly believe I'm superior to most - but certainly not from all - other people, it's just the way I feel. On that note I think average people could use some of my self confidence. - But again, I digress.

Does a psychopath have an irrational view of the world? Probably. Most people do, after all, and it's very difficult to be completely logical about everything. Even the most brilliant men of all time did not have All Knowing Insight about the world. The world is an organic, living and breathing entity which is ever changing along with mankind. What is true today may be a fallacy tomorrow. It's the only thing about existence that we can know for certain: There is no absolutes and nothing really lasts indefinitely, not even one of our most beloved Holy Grails, the Absolute Truth. The very idea is a construct, and it has done more harm than most everything else that mankind ever created.

Are psychopaths misguided? Oh, absolutely. But so are everybody else in varying degrees, it is not unique for my 1% minority. The guidance I was given about the world was so obviously flawed that I saw through a great deal of it long before I hit 1st grade. So like a very large number of people - not least in our time - I found it necessary to form different views, and I quickly learned to listen mostly to myself and always be weary of 'knowing adults'. I am still adjusting the views I made yesterday, it's a never ending process.

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(1*) - I have done this myself, though obviously not by actually loving my attacker, but by pretending to love and understand her I succeeded in talking her out of completely ruining her own life and ending mine by killing me.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the well written piece.

" his personality constellation will still make the idea of love and connection problematic. "

I have felt love a handful of times in my life from others, but I really am not affected by knowing I'm feeling no love nor feeling love from someone.

I have only recently started to realise others were expecting/ hoping for love from me in past situations. My dad told me he had never felt love from me before he died. This doesn't affect me emotionally at all. I can see the value of maintaining connections with people and not burning bridges, but I don't feel connected. Knowing I would loose something makes me feel connected as sort, but I largely don't like this it weighs me down, I don't like feeling burdened by someone else's energy in any form really.

I wonder if it is possible to feel love, my strongest connection based feeling to people is losing something I valued for whatever reason.loss. I have always equated love to how much I don't want someone to die because of the amount of loss I would feel. It is how an adult tried to get me to understand love when I was a child.

No problem with equality. Will find an advantage somewhere. As someone who innately sees the control mechanisms of society and as a humble peasant, I would like to see equality and freedom from government and society.

Also, had drugs to induce empathy, I am less irratable and slightly less aggressive, more inclined towards conversation and slightly more reckless. Still didn't care and was unaffected.

Wishing you a bloody new year

Anonymous said...

I will respond again later but would just like to explain that 'equality' is in terms of true equality and freedom from all negative judgements. Without proper love all you will have for modelling the world are comparisons in your head but with love it all becomes more equal and less extreme.. with enough love nothing is worse or better. You may think that modelling the world with this love is not rational and real but it's not real anyway. I think one of your problems too is a fear of irrationality when life is unlikely to be rational at all except in the smaller details (those who've taken psychadelics would probably attest to this). The society only becomes real if you have these comparisons and/or fears, otherwise it just sort of melts into one feeling of connectedness. You have already agreed you don't feel this connectedness at all and people will feel it to varying degrees and this shapes their world view. Your view of the world is very different to neurotypicals as you see things from a very extreme perspective that other people don't as they have some love and generally don't want to manipulate or lie unless they see themselves as better (even though this idea of better or worse is erroneous in all cases and due to fears). I'm sure this love is just a conscious lack of all fears and comparisons and everything melting into equality.

Again, all world views are not real but made up in the head from the aforementioned comparisons and fears that become subconscious.
The love I mention is not the needy love where you extend yourself with another person, I mean the selfless love with no fear that comes from not thinking about the world in a competitive way which is especially valid in today's western world where there is little chance of actually being in any physical danger due to policing so what is there to really stress about and give you cause to compete so much about? You won't understand what this love is but this is what brings the equality and connectedness into conscious awareness.

The external world is not really worth worrying about unless you want something from it but really why do you want anything if you have basic living conditions? Neurotypicals will have societal pressures but with love you will also see through society and not be affected by it and won't even have any desire to compete. It's only when you see society as real, you will want to compete and win.

No two persons will see it the same way as it isn't real at all. That's why society has rules in the first place since different people will see it differently depending on their own perceived status and generally won't understand other people's point of view very well (in general the people below them will see their behaviour as unfair and they won't see the problem just due to the position they are in).

There is no rational view of anything where two or more people are involved as they will all see things totally differently but those on the same level of society will agree more or less with each other. But none of it is actually real which is what psychopaths and neurotypicals often don't seem to understand.

Whatever you believe to be true, really does become true to you as you will live from it but it is only your reality since other people will not have the same beliefs which are without exception all false as nothing in society is real. It's like a collective unreality which people tend to follow. Without society, which I am quite sure is all made up in people's heads, what do you have? Without love and connectedness which brings equality and a feeling of bliss you have nothing in reality.

Anonymous said...

finally!

Zhawq said...

Anon 2:06 AM:

[i]"I have felt love a handful of times in my life from others"[/i}

From the rest of what you write, I have to ask if you're sure you actually 'felt' love from others? F.x., if you couldn't see the person you 'felt' love from, do you think you would've known they felt love towards you? Could it be that you didn't actually 'feel' their love, but you recognized it in the signals of love you could visually see, and maybe hear, i.e.?

[i]"My dad told me he had never felt love from me before he died."[/i]

My step mother used to scream at me in frustration and anger because I didn't show her love, even though at times I really tried my best to show her niceness and give her what I assumed she expected in the hope of creating a more bearable situation. It never worked, of course. I've never found out how my dad felt about it, but I know he liked me.

Zhawq said...

Anon 2:15 Am:

[i]"... with love it all becomes more equal and less extreme."[/i]

This is a surprise to me. I always assumed love was a form of extreme sympathy and well being originating from being with a certain person, or just knowing someone or something is in a certain way. I hope you will this explain to me sometime.

I agree with your description of the nature of reality. The world and everything in it is a real as we make it. Complete consensus is an illusion, but it is pursued even so. Good thing, though, that leading scientists - especially in fields such as Theoretical Physics, i.e. - are beginning to understand this, and as they do so they also get closer to realizing that what is widely viewed as superstition is every bit as real as all the rest.

something isn't less real just because it lacks a material component.

Laura Potter said...

Hi, I discovered your blog just last month. Although I cannot relate to a lot of things you write( I'm an empath and a so-called 'very peaceful person'), I think your blog is very fascinating and even useful to us 'empaths'.
I used to hate psychopaths, because to me , they were so 'unhuman'.
But..., you seem to be very human to me :).
Your writings have actually influenced me... in a good way.
I feel so much better about myself, and I had to experience my revelation by reading a psychopath's blog!

(My english is not that good, sorry about that.)

Anonymous said...

^I have actually felt it at least twice in my life, it was a feeling of love radiating at me from the other persons while giving them a hug.To all other situations in my life I only have behavioral cues to go from.

The fact that this person gives me something I want is still the over motivation, it doesn't equal anything much else but help me feel another shade of different again. Unaffected is the key issue as I see it. Reality is what you make it, rewriting nature is hard work though.

Ettina said...

"I always assumed love was a form of extreme sympathy and well being originating from being with a certain person, or just knowing someone or something is in a certain way."

This is going to be hard to explain. That statement doesn't sound much like love to me, but I can't really articulate how, so I'll just try to explain how I see love.

Love is partly feeling a lot of concern for someone else's well-being. I can sometimes ignore someone in distress by avoiding paying attention to them, but I cannot ignore a loved one in distress even if they aren't physically present (my Mom was hospitalized recently, and even at home I kept thinking over and over about her and wondering how she felt and if she was lonely or in pain). In that sense, it does bring a stronger degree of sympathy for the person.

But there's also this feeling that this person is essential to you. Even if I knew they were doing fine away from me, being permanently separated from someone I love would be upsetting. (In fact, knowing they're fine given such a separation would make it *more* painful, because that suggests they don't love me back.) Not that I couldn't handle such a separation, given time (and many people do this when they move out of home), but I would be quite sad. There's a sense of needing the person, needing their presence, their affection, etc. Not constantly (that would get oppressive) but at least on a regular basis. And non-psychopaths seem to need someone to love and receive love from - a person who is loved by no one is usually a severely depressed person. Even if they have plenty of superficial friends, if they have no one who's close to them, then they have an unmet need.

Children need it even more. In the case of children, they have a psychological need for a stable loving caregiver who they never have a lengthy separation from. And this is *especially* true for very young children, in fact the lack of a consistent attachment figure can cause a serious condition known as Reactive Attachment Disorder. This is often seen in kids raised in orphanages where there weren't enough staff to form close bonds with the kids, or the staff kept changing. It's also seen a lot in foster kids, and kids who were abused or neglected. (Foster kids are doubly at risk because most of them were abused/neglected, plus they often change foster homes.) Incidentally, there's some evidence of a link between RAD and Borderline Personality, and some researchers think Borderline Personality is just RAD grown up.

Anonymous said...

Love is basically what happens when you have no stress. It probably requires enough oxytocin receptors to adequately reduce your stress level since oxytocin has been shown to work on the amalgada to tend to make you ignore both negative and positive stimuli so you are not really affected by outside influences too much. You would just tend to act naturally towards ridding the world of fears I suppose without really having to think consciously about it. You will feel this connectedness/love if you reduce your stress enough but your thoughts and upgringing I think will also affect how many of these receptors you have depending on how loving it was.

You compete when you are lacking in love but it's biochemical really and not for any higher purpose other than survival (basically just for the dopamine to make you feel better but nothing really happens it just makes you more focused on yourself rather than others).

I think we are meant to evolve to the point where we no longer need to compete and we will then live in bliss all the time. I think common thinking about evolution and the meaning of life being to reproduce is sort of backwards as I think that you are only meant to be focused on reproducing up to a certain point in evolution and then evolution possibly will take another turn or life will take on another form. Maybe through a deeper connection to the source of life I suppose since everything that happens to your billions of cells every second is not controlled by anyone so maybe it's controlled by all of life collectively. Certainly when you need to compete you will have different thoughts on this and your reality will be more on the basic animal realm.

Societal pressures sort of melt away when you have enough love. Love is something inside you and the illusion that you have it for others is just that they reduce your fears so you can feel it although commonly people should power instead. I think if you face your fears instead of separating from them you can heal them so they no longer cause stress. The lesser alternative is to compete and subjectively win to get over the stress but it will just subconsciously keep repeating really if you do it this way and you will be compelled to compete more and more until I suppose destruction unless you can somehow start using love.

I think dopamine will tend to downregulate so you will need more and more for the same effect but the opposite is true for oxytocin and you should find it easier and easier to love and reduce stress that way. Dopamine will tend to corrupt love by reducing your awareness of life to a more focused rather than holistic view so it should be on the low end for this sort of healing. The world obviously doesn't work like this currently but it could do and there isn't much stopping people doing this individually to see how things go or the alternative is that people will generally just carry on towards destruction.

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Anonymous said...

Another strange thing about this love (lack of fear which brings the connectedness feeling) is that it makes you untouchable somehow. I wonder if any psychos have met people like this that infuriate them as they can't win?

Since a person's view of society is all made up in his/her head, the one with the actual reality (i.e. love and no fears) is the one that really has the power at all times although the psycho can't understand this.

Obviously it is very hard for someone to maintain this sometimes unless they are totally fearless but enough oxytocin will tend to make you totally fearless. You won't even consider any negative outcome happening if this is the case and this prevents anyone hurting you as unbelievable as it sounds. I don't know how but I'm pretty sure this is true from my experiences. People think they are constantly taking advantage of you but mostly you always end up winning somehow. It's very strange how it works. It's not something you consciously think about you just act through love and fearlessness all the time automatically.

Anonymous said...

BeautifulNightmareKazlina said...

Nice to see you posting again.

I'd just like to clarify a few things. I'm not talking about typical love here which is for another person. I'm talking about a different state of consciousness where society isn't made real and ego (which is also not real) is not an issue either. I'll just clarify some of the properties of this state:

1: No attachment to others. You care for all naturally as a consequence of having no fears or desires (which also brings fear) but do not get attached. Happy being alone and no need for excitement much. For example, you may buy someone a drink even though they think you want something in return (friendship etc.) but in reality you do not want anything in return as it's proper love acting through you. It is natural behaviour and not from needing anything like some people (especially psychos) think.

2: No need for approval from others. The comment above (which wouldn't be genuine) would not cause any positive or negative effect and in fact general abuse from others will raise the dopamine levels which is the reverse of most neurotypicals. This is also shown from when I write comments I don't care about writing quality (I usually write when I'm tired).

3: Instead of pain avoidance, will go towards it in general when it comes to other people which is also the reverse of most neurotypicals. This could infuriate people who don't like you as you will generally want to keep approaching them until they 'get it'. Those that don't eventually tend to be total psychos with no need for love at all.

4: Somehow knows the best action at every moment to help other people face their fears (although this is not a conscious intention at all but looking back on the behaviour this is what appears to have happened) although they don't initially see it that way in most cases as most take time and multiple encounters to 'get it' as most are conditioned to avoid pain. All this action is totally unconscious and comes from an unknown force (the force of life/love maybe?). Generally when around others you don't think consciously. Can appear arrogant at times if people initially see you as below them in any way (all from their erroneous version of reality).

Some examples from my experiences (remember all these actions are without any conscious thoughts):
1. Someone wants to square up to you in a fight and stares you down. Most people would react angrily back but I stayed totally calm while looking into their eyes and they walked away calmly. Other times you react with a dopamine surge which beats theirs as it's fearless so still contains the love. There is no thinking which decides what to do, it just comes naturally so you will automatically go with this flow when you are in this state of consciousness.

2. Someone wants to fight you. Generally what happens is I offer a hand in handshake which commonly they refuse angrily but they no longer want to fight.

3. Will seem to sense intuitively what they need to to to appease someone. If someone is seething with rage they will naturally sense this across the room even if they are not in line of sight or there are any physical senses alerting them to this. I think this is basically an energy sensing ability but through some unknown unconscious force.

Anonymous said...

Some of the chemical properties (it is just a general outline - I only use cortisol for the stress hormone as I understand that the cortisol level is sort of the baseline or average of the other more transient precursor stress hormones which vary more widely as needed):

Baseline mid-brain Dopamine levels low but can increase substantiably as needed which is why these types tend to get attracted to anti-socials since biochemically both will show increased dopamine levels as they approach each other with the anti-social thinking the other is prey.

Cortisol levels low which is an obvious consequence of not having fears or approaching them immediately so they turn into a spike of dopamine on my understanding.

Oxytocin High which is a consequense of low stress but also there needs to be adequate oxytocin receptors based on upbringing and non-competitive thinking.

Testosterone Low as a consequence of high Oxytocin.

Also requires an introverted externally intuitive personality which may be a consequence of all the above. Generally you use feeling instead of thinking when with other people although most of the time you would be alone to recharge energy and use thinking more. Maybe this is what some Aspergers diagnoses are except for the love aspect (maybe they are more thinking types)?

Generally harmless even if psychos are infuriated since they do not see anything intrinsically right or wrong with anything so do not pose a threat. In fact since they have no fear they see things much more clearly as no black and white (known as splitting) occurs which is normal erroneous thinking when faced with something fearful. They see things more in shades of grey without consciously knowing this. They realise that all human needs apart from basic food and shelter are a consequence of fears. Everything else is manipulated but since all this is towards destruction in some way they don't see anything outside the basic needs as not towards destruction. They realise that most things are not fatal and are recoverable and back towards life again with recouperance and rest (i.e. returning to the source of life or love or whatever you want to call the connectedness). So they see everything as either towards destruction or towards this life or love but these moments just happen naturally when they need to happen (so if you are fearful you will naturally act destructively if you don't face it- doesn't matter if it is internally or externally acted upon it's the same basic reason- this will keep repeating until healed or will escalate). Only death could stop the recovery to conquer all fears and reach this bliss eventually although for complete psychos this wouldn't be possible.

Anonymous said...

Another thing I heard is this egoless state is what psychos and everyone else look for when they want excitement or pleasure. The dopamine surge simulates for a moment this bliss that you can actually achieve all the time if you lose the fears. The problem is that people making society real will never reach this point.

It tends to escalate if there is any fear involved in the dopamine surge and this is the cause of addiction as fear implies risk and will downregulate the dopamine receptors to lower your motivation to repeat it as you won't get the same pleasure without increasing the risk (any fear or stress at the same time as the pleasure/dopamine release such as when fighting or comfort eating will have this effect and will cause repetition).

It will then subconsciously repeat in various situations until this fearful memory is healed (that's why worrying will cause more stress since it builds more memories of it). There is always something the fear is about. It could be fear of weakness and until you accept your own weakness it will carry on repeating and projecting this fear on others. The fact psychos must feel better than almost everyone implies they are scared of being less than others they see as neurotypical and cannot face this under any circumstances to survive (maybe as when they see someone who has more love they feel the despair I would guess which is why they must turn it around somehow to actually get pleasure from them by seeing them as weaker instead - this is known as reaction formation but I don't have much of an idea of psycho states of mind so wouldn't know too well how they think).

That is a basic outline for everyone's motivations in life. It's to get to this egoless state of ecstasy and if enough people are like this more permanently, the collective energy can take life to a different level.

Anonymous said...

I think the author above meant that an orgasm would produce the egoless state for a moment as I don't think a simple dopamine surge does that usually or maybe it does for psychopaths!

I read this on wikipedia which also seems to suggest that high dopamine does tend to limit your perception of reality in some way: "The dopamine system is associated with reward, attention, short-term memory tasks, planning, and motivation. Dopamine tends to limit and select sensory information arriving from the thalamus to the fore-brain"

Anonymous said...

From another site I noticed this post that also sums this up:

"There are 2 ways of dealing with todays world - one of them is being a psychopath. Some of the traits that make psychopath so strong and successful are shared by another type of person. Fearlessness, unconcern with what others think about you, living in the present moment - it's all characteriscic for the so called enlightened person. The difference here is that a psychopath is totally possessed by the ego and driven by the lowest desires, an "enlightened" person, a master, is ego-free, a warrior of the light. Perhaps this is the challenge of todays stressful world - the eternal choice between good and evil"

Where I'd differ is I'd see evil as going towards 'destruction' and good as going back towards 'life' itself.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I just wanted to say I'm an ex victim, but I hold no grudge. I don't think its your fault.

Anonymous said...

You mentioned about secondary psychopaths, I wonder what is one? And how are they different from psychopaths?