Sunday, March 27, 2011

Lucifer, The Psychopath Light Bringer.

These days it's not uncommon to hear Analogies between Demons, or The Devil, and Psychopaths.

I can certainly see some equivalents. Here's an example with Lucifer, The Light Bearer or The Light Bringer.

Psychopaths are not all about Lies or Lying. Sometimes - often, even - we tell the Truths nobody wants to hear. We Shed Light unto those dark little corners of people's souls that they do not want us to illuminate. Sometimes we can have a terrible knack for telling the truth. Christ would only see Light. But not Our Light, for we enlighten both Truth and Lie. We do not deny one and not the other. We Love it all, in our own sometimes strange ways. And our Love can be demanding.

For such is the nature of The Light that The Psychopath brings You: It is All Consuming!

24 comments:

TheNotablePath said...

Actually, Christ had a pretty nasty knack for telling truths that no one wanted to hear. That's partially why they killed him.

But I do understand what you mean. The truth is many a time usually quite a bit more effective when it comes to mentally lacerating someone, because only denial can save them.

Everyone has their hidden weaknesses, secrets they don't want anyone knowing, veritable grottoes of information they try to lock away.

And finding them is rarely hard when you're used to it.

There's a special feeling, it might be some sort of smugness, when you tell someone just how weak, pathetic and stupid they are, with a calm or simply intense tone, eye to eye in a way that is not worded to sound like an insult, but a litany of their own profound failure. That look of realization, anger and disgust, it's one I like very much. After that, they can argue and yell or deny it, but when you're seen that tortured look, you've won.

But you know what, Lucifer is cut from the same stock as Christ. Or is it the other way around?

Divine bastards, the lot of them ;) That's what happens when daddy never gets laid.

Anonymous said...

Well Daddy should get a penis pump, or stock up on sphincter ticklers, (best silicone you can buy)

And then suck it up.

Haven said...

I don't bother lying. At least not very often and not unless it's to cover something I don't want others to know about myself.

The truth is my favorite weapon. Hit someone with a hard truth and they'll crumble. A person can deny it to the masses all they want, but they can't deny it to themselves, not really. A truth when it hits, hits hard.

Villains get such a bad rap. Even though they bring the best lessons.

Andreas said...

The truth is the best. Cuts like a knife, illuminates like a torch. Half truths are better than lies; it's hard to refute something, when you can reasonably back it up : )

Anonymous said...

"The truth is my favorite weapon. Hit someone with a hard truth and they'll crumble. A person can deny it to the masses all they want, but they can't deny it to themselves, not really. A truth when it hits, hits hard."


Not really. You aren't an ill willed person yet an individual who would "crumble" with the truth would generally be a person with very little self esteem, so my point is, why would you say things to such a person in the first place? The truth would never hurt an asshole with narcissistic traits as they have magical thinking. My conclusion - Your tactic would only work on the weak, are you projecting?

TheNotablePath said...

It of course doesn't work on everyone, Anonymous. Especially those of us who have no shame or guilt. Telling us what's wrong with us only lets us know something that we didn't beforehand, or that we aren't doing a good enough job hiding it. A fruitless effort for the most part.

But your average Joe is a completely different story. Most people have a shitty self-esteem, or have way too much pride. Either are easily provoked by cutting truths.

Zhawq said...

Notable:

"Actually, Christ had a pretty nasty knack for telling truths that no one wanted to hear. That's partially why they killed him."

You're talking about His son, Jesus. - 'God' is not a name, and he never would tell anybody his name. So the closest one can get is to call him Christ or Christos which his religion took name after.

That's how I use the name.


"Everyone has their hidden weaknesses, secrets they don't want anyone knowing".

I take it you mean this in the common sense, that people are in fact afraid of others knowing their secret, so it's not merely 'not wanting', it's about Life and Death in a sense, since others knowing could mean Death of their existence and lifestyle as they know it.

There are those who don't have fears in this respect. Not wanting, sure, but not actual fear. - Should things come to surface, there's always a new version of reality. - If you're confident in your ability to sit at the top, or near it, no matter what setting you exist within, there's no fear.


"veritable grottoes of information they try to lock away."

Heh, yeah indeed. That's why it's always handy to have a few universal keys, they can get you into most every grotto. As long as you're not afraid of the dark, lol.


"And finding them is rarely hard when you're used to it."

If nothing else, a little patience will often do the trick. Revelation will be brought to those who wait, or so they say. To me it has worked again and again.


"There's a special feeling, it might be some sort of smugness, when you tell someone just how weak, pathetic and stupid they are, with a calm or simply intense tone, eye to eye in a way that is not worded to sound like an insult, but a litany of their own profound failure. That look of realization, anger and disgust, it's one I like very much."

They become angry and disgusted with themselves? - I've seen people self loathing, and despair. Those are emotions that often come with the kind of realization I think you refer to.


"After that, they can argue and yell or deny it, but when you're seen that tortured look, you've won."

Ahh, yes.


Haven:

"I don't bother lying. At least not very often and not unless it's to cover something I don't want others to know about myself."

That's a practical outlook, Haven.

But how about earning money or getting someone who doesn't know you to do you a favor when you're in need of some kind... How do you do such things if you only lie when you have to protect something about yourself?

One could argue, that in a job interview situation it would be a necessity to hide certain truths (which all have), and thus you would have to maintain this lie also when you start working there on a daily basis.

And when it comes to befriending people we all know how that is: Not all have the same values, and so we must put forth only our best sides and lie when talk falls a bit too close to the things we want to hide.

In that sense lying is unavoidable in every area of life when you want to protect a truth about yourself. Do you see what I mean?

Zhawq said...

Haven:

"A person can deny it to the masses all they want, but they can't deny it to themselves, not really."

I see a lot of denial and far past the point where people no longer know the truth, even if they want to.


"Villains get such a bad rap. Even though they bring the best lessons."

I will not argue with that. It's obviously how it is in so many ways! :)


Andreas,

Hello there. *s*

"The truth is the best."

Doesn't that depend on the situation?


"Cuts like a knife, illuminates like a torch."

True indeed. Sadly, some people are so blind only the onlookers and the illuminator sees the truth.


"Half truths are better than lies;"

You could also say that half truths are just as bad as lies. ;)


"it's hard to refute something, when you can reasonably back it up : )"

Definitely so.
But a good liar is like a truth-maker. He can make you see truths that earlier to you were lies. After all, it is also a matter of perception, unless we're talking about empirical truths.

Strange as it may seem, there were times when people 'refuted' empirical truths (in fact there still are). They didn't lie, they 'saw' their version of reality.

Zhawq said...

Hello Anon, welcome.

You wrote:

"...an individual who would "crumble" with the truth would generally be a person with very little self esteem, so ... why would you say things to such a person...?"

Another question: Why would an 'honest' person hide truths and have low self esteem?

We're always told it is 'bad' people who have reason to hide the truth, whereas good aka normal, empathic people who follow the law and have mores and empathy and know about remorse (how it feels), etc., they have nothing to hide. And they know lying is bad.

Yet they lie and call themselves good and those who tell them truths bad.

A lot is about degrees, and since we're dealing with emotions here (that is basically what it's about) there is no certainty and no empirical tools can estimate emotions with any remote certainty.

fMRI and PET scans are still just the causal expression of something that can't be evaluated objectively.

Why teach people to take responsibility for their own lives and take responsibility for not causing others harm, if you get punished or stigmatized for telling someone the truth while they had low self esteem because they are bad?

I mean, we're talking about denial, yes? That won't go away if we decide to not tell people the truth because they have low self esteem!

I think some of the pleasure one can derive from breaking through that wall of self denial lies in seeing the walls in a representative for an emotional moralistic regime, fall apart.

Other than that, there's always that thing about power.

And for someone who can't experience the emotions that cause normal people to set up rules for everybody that to us make little sense, being able to create such an absolute change in another person signals to me that:

"I'm not powerless just because I can't share their emotions and experience from within, for I can most certainly experience from without!"

They say the pleasure I get from such an act is not as strong or deep as their emotions.
But to me it's strong a plenty! Or at least satisfactory, otherwise I would not keep repeating again and again.


"The truth would never hurt an asshole with narcissistic traits as they have magical thinking."

Most psychopaths have narcissistic-like traits. I encompass the same to some extent, though I'm neither the most nor least unaffected in that regard.

Some have considered putting Psychopathy and Malignant Narcissism under one in DSM-V. However, that is bullshit! There are obvious differences between psychopathy and narcissism.

You mention Magical Thinking. It's not being addressed much, but it's a big part of the reality I and others like me live.

I would ask you more about your thoughts on how our Magical Thinking affects us in ways that would result in us not being hurt.

I am also interested in learning why normal people do not have Magical Thinking? I can't possibly imagine how it must be to not think in this manner.

Zhawq said...

And the other half...

"My conclusion - Your tactic would only work on the weak"

It works on the weaker.

But I'm not sure weakness in the one you illuminate/break is the central issue here. It makes it easier for you, that's all, which is likely why we tend to do it so much to them. It's fast, takes little effort, and the prize can be comparatively satisfying.

Then there're one's equals, This is where there's learning to be had also (at best for both parties).
Still, for the one who learns faster, the tactic can still work. That's a kind of prize that can spur people to perform at their best.

Learning = Knowledge.
Knowledge = Power.
Power = Prize/Satisfaction.
Satisfaction/the Prize = Spur to learn more.

That's the cycle, and power need not mean abuse only. There're other ways as well, and I've had the luck of being strong enough to win most battles; hence I am content and have gained a taste for something entirely different. Even antisocial endeavors get old at some point. There's more to be had than breaking the weak, that much is certain. :)

.....

When my 'friend' wrote that last line in the other 4-um I hadn't yet seen the comments here. ;) .

TheNotablePath said...

It really unnerves people, Zhawq.

They think that telling you all your faults is going to debilitate you like some sweeping assault, and instead you absorb all the knowledge and adjust accordingly. It's like attacking an organism that becomes immune to antibiotics. You just make it stronger and more versatile.

The smart ones don't bother and either ignore you, or go in for the kill (figuratively, or literally). Thankfully most people aren't smart.

Then again, there's the element of knowing what type of person you're dealing with, because as I said before, damn that can feel satisfying ;)

Anonymous said...

"..the element of knowing what type of person you're dealing with,.."

...is everything, as far as I am concerned. I have a real life friend I cannot speak to anymore. When we've gotten together in the past, I've felt a bit emotionally raped. I can sense that she gets off on my "issues." (At least that is the way I had been perceiving it. Not sure how to view this, frankly) I won't talk to her about it. The sad part is that I really like her, and she constantly wants to spend time with me. But I can't anymore. She projects her own "damage" onto me, as if I am just like her. She's wrong, and she'll never see things from my perspective. She's brilliant, and my thoughts don't come packaged as readily as hers. I'm silently defensive in the short term, and pissed off when I get home. It's like she's temporarily bamboozled me into thinking I am as weak as she is. It simply isn't true. But I won't tell her, even with the sensitivity I possess, because it would hurt her much more profoundly than she is capable of hurting me. We have barely any meaningful conversation anymore, and I feel great about it. (I know this is wordy, but this has been on my mind. It would be great to hear what anyone else has to say..)

TheNotablePath said...

Projecting is a very common practice. We either don't know better, or we'd rather it be our way, in short. And by we, I'm speaking in general, not you and me :P

Don't worry about her. You'll either figure out a way to navigate her BS, or you'll move on.

Zhawq said...

Anon,

what you describe here can seem a little puzzling. It seems that she is hurting you, forcing you into a defensive state that makes you uncomfortable, takes away your joy when she's around. Also, she actively pursues your company.

Wouldn't the sensible thing here be to take the offensive stance? If she is the kind of person that you imply she'll not be likely to be severely damaged. And even if that was to be,... don't you feel any need to ascertain your 'right' to move freely in your own space?

How is she weaker than you? Because she hasn't understood that you know what she's doing? But it still works to some extent, yes?

You say you feel great, yet it is still on your mind because you see her regularly and she keeps pushing.

If you used to have meaningful conversations, not treating her like she can't deal with the truth may be the way to get some of that back. Or at least get the situation settled.

Personally I think you do neither her nor yourself any favor by not telling her the truth about how you see it. If anything, you are keeping her at the weak state you see her being in.

Though I'm still not sure about what that weakness is.

Zhawq said...

Anon,

another thought:

"It's like she's temporarily bamboozled me into thinking I am as weak as she is."

Okay, and?
Everybody have weaknesses. The trick is to know your own weaknesses AND other people's weaknesses. That way you have the opportunity to decide the wiser line of action so that others cannot use your weakness against you.

You may in fact have some of her weakness, otherwise you wouldn't be likely to feel the way you describe here. Learn it, face it and use your knowledge about it so that this cannot happen again.

Of course, it will always happen again. But then at least not with this weakness. ;)

Anonymous said...

You'll either figure out a way to navigate her BS, or you'll move on.

Thanks. Then I have this other friend I barely "know" who has been asking me to do stuff for her. She did something illegal to me. I would MAYBE do one thing or another but I don't know what her terms are, and I need to stay on the straight and narrow. So she'd have to prove how it was possible to do what she did to me. Also this person has the nerve to ask me to do stuff for free! I get paid a substantial amount of money to cooperate with people on a daily basis. I am only available when I am available and will only give where my hands aren't dirty. She won't even explain how hers aren't dirty. Strange girl. Strange situation.

Bella said...

I am anon 3:42
"If anything, you are keeping her at the weak state you see her being in."

"Though I'm still not sure about what that weakness is."

Thanks. She is weak in my eyes because I can see she puts me down to elevate herself. For ex: I tried to have relationships with a man who wasn't good for me in the end. (It was difficult throughout, actually.) We have a conversation about it and she'll snidely say: "that's because you like abuse, and that's why you'll always have someone. and I won't{settle}" It's bitter and it's a put down.

She looks weak to me because I feel like a person who goes out there, lives my life, and learns from my mistakes, and she judges. She's a know-it-all.

I'd rather withhold my feelings from her. It feels shitty AND I feel good about myself because I've come to realize she isn't good for my self esteem. See, her ex stole from her and lied and she stayed for a long time. He was malignant, and different than my guy.

In this case I don't think I owe her anything. I have been "cleaning house" in general these days. I've kept too many people in my life who keep me down. It is why I like coming here to this community. I feel welcome. No one here judges the fact that I enjoyed being with my sociopathic/narcy boyfriend even though it didn't work out.

Zhawq said...

Anon:

"I would MAYBE do one thing or another but I don't know what her terms are, and I need to stay on the straight and narrow."

If this woman has your interest you should ask her about this and let her know your conditions (to stay 'clean' - in all aspects of that word, I take it).


"So she'd have to prove how it was possible to do what she did to me."

Hm, something IT related?

If you sense she's interested, you could play on that and maybe get her to tell you, but you'd probably be best off if you don't push too hard. It might make her react opposite to what you want.


"Also this person has the nerve to ask me to do stuff for free!"

Ha! Well there you have it: It's open to proceed but on your terms, not hers! Yes?

Zhawq said...

Hello bella,

I am pleased to make your acquaintance! *s*

You wrote:
"Thanks. She is weak in my eyes because I can see she puts me down to elevate herself."

I see. But the element of self elevation is always part of it when you put others down - Always!


"For ex: I tried to have relationships with a man who wasn't good for me ... and she'll snidely say: "... you like abuse, and that's why you'll always have someone..." It's bitter and it's a put down."

Yes, she sounds immature - though it could be an attempt to tell you how you could do better, but I understand from your description that it wasn't.


"She's a know-it-all."

I like to show these types that they don't know it all... at all! They're a tiresome company, and once you shove their weakness in their face they crumble ever so pitifully.

It would seem she's somewhat narcissistic (which is not to say she has the condition as such).


"I'd rather withhold my feelings from her. It feels shitty AND I feel good about myself because I've come to realize she isn't good for my self esteem."

You're doing right in not letting her know how you feel. I'll advice you to not let her know anything about you from this point on.


"See, her ex stole from her and lied and she stayed for a long time. He was malignant, and different than my guy."

This woman will always project, she sees around her what she won't admit is in her, and i her own life, relationships, etc.


"In this case I don't think I owe her anything."

You don't owe anybody anything unless you've made a promise, or if they're of your blood (family, your children).


"I've kept too many people in my life who keep me down. It is why I like coming here to this community. I feel welcome. No one here judges the fact that I enjoyed being with my sociopathic/narcy boyfriend even though it didn't work out."

I am very pleased to hear that you feel this way.

I want my readers to feel welcome.

And I will see to it that flame wars and attacks directed at individuals do not happen here. Should it happen in between my check-ups, just ignore it and I'll make sure it stops.

Do know that I think it's good to have you around, and I hope you'll continue to find my little corner interesting!... '^L^,

Zhawq said...

Hello bella,

I am pleased to make your acquaintance! *s*

You wrote:
"Thanks. She is weak in my eyes because I can see she puts me down to elevate herself."

I see. But the element of self elevation is always part of it when you put others down - Always!


"For ex: I tried to have relationships with a man who wasn't good for me ... and she'll snidely say: "... you like abuse, and that's why you'll always have someone..." It's bitter and it's a put down."

Yes, she sounds immature - though it could be an attempt to tell you how you could do better, but I understand from your description that it wasn't.


"She's a know-it-all."

I like to show these types that they don't know it all... at all! They're a tiresome company, and once you shove their weakness in their face they crumble ever so pitifully.

It would seem she's somewhat narcissistic (which is not to say she has the condition as such).


"I'd rather withhold my feelings from her. It feels shitty AND I feel good about myself because I've come to realize she isn't good for my self esteem."

You're doing right in not letting her know how you feel. I'll advice you to not let her know anything about you from this point on.


"See, her ex stole from her and lied and she stayed for a long time. He was malignant, and different than my guy."

This woman will always project, she sees around her what she won't admit is in her, and i her own life, relationships, etc.


"In this case I don't think I owe her anything."

You don't owe anybody anything unless you've made a promise, or if they're of your blood (family, your children).


"I've kept too many people in my life who keep me down. It is why I like coming here to this community. I feel welcome. No one here judges the fact that I enjoyed being with my sociopathic/narcy boyfriend even though it didn't work out."

I am very pleased to hear that you feel this way.

I want my readers to feel welcome.

And I will see to it that flame wars and attacks directed at individuals do not happen here. Should it happen in between my check-ups, just ignore it and I'll make sure it stops.

Do know that I think it's good to have you around, and I hope you'll continue to find my little corner interesting!... '^L^,

Bella said...

I am anon 3:42
"If anything, you are keeping her at the weak state you see her being in."

"Though I'm still not sure about what that weakness is."

Thanks. She is weak in my eyes because I can see she puts me down to elevate herself. For ex: I tried to have relationships with a man who wasn't good for me in the end. (It was difficult throughout, actually.) We have a conversation about it and she'll snidely say: "that's because you like abuse, and that's why you'll always have someone. and I won't{settle}" It's bitter and it's a put down.

She looks weak to me because I feel like a person who goes out there, lives my life, and learns from my mistakes, and she judges. She's a know-it-all.

I'd rather withhold my feelings from her. It feels shitty AND I feel good about myself because I've come to realize she isn't good for my self esteem. See, her ex stole from her and lied and she stayed for a long time. He was malignant, and different than my guy.

In this case I don't think I owe her anything. I have been "cleaning house" in general these days. I've kept too many people in my life who keep me down. It is why I like coming here to this community. I feel welcome. No one here judges the fact that I enjoyed being with my sociopathic/narcy boyfriend even though it didn't work out.

Zhawq said...

Anon,

what you describe here can seem a little puzzling. It seems that she is hurting you, forcing you into a defensive state that makes you uncomfortable, takes away your joy when she's around. Also, she actively pursues your company.

Wouldn't the sensible thing here be to take the offensive stance? If she is the kind of person that you imply she'll not be likely to be severely damaged. And even if that was to be,... don't you feel any need to ascertain your 'right' to move freely in your own space?

How is she weaker than you? Because she hasn't understood that you know what she's doing? But it still works to some extent, yes?

You say you feel great, yet it is still on your mind because you see her regularly and she keeps pushing.

If you used to have meaningful conversations, not treating her like she can't deal with the truth may be the way to get some of that back. Or at least get the situation settled.

Personally I think you do neither her nor yourself any favor by not telling her the truth about how you see it. If anything, you are keeping her at the weak state you see her being in.

Though I'm still not sure about what that weakness is.

Anonymous said...

constructive critism our sharky host. Given the subject, I think this is by far the weakest article I have read on this site. I enjoy most of your work, but really, given the subject, I reckon you could have done a little better. Something that really got that love of sinnister and dark flowing.

- I finally found some comments from the notablepath that ring true. Most of the time I just read sociopath but I think we must share a common thread on this topic. Not surprising really.

Anonymous said...

I read an old bible published in 1898. It was curious in that the 'Book of Kings' associated with Solomon was labeled 'Solomon'.

In this bible it states, rather explicitly, that 'the Antichrist is the Son of Satan and the Son of Man' and shortly thereafter that 'Jesus Christ is the Son of God'.

Assuming this is true through the entire text, it implies the embodiment of Jesus is genetically related to the embodiment of the Antichrist. This is a mathematical labeling of a never ending, coexisting genetic descendancy. Further points are designed to reinforce this interpretation.

1. Requires the kingdom to rise and fall like the tides. Implies there is a predator-prey relationship between believers and non-believers.

2. In this bible, acts against believers are conducted by the/a devil (not capitalized). Satan is never explicitly mentioned as having had anything to do with anything but the temptation of Jesus directly.

3. The LORD is never explicitly defined. Behavioral analysis of the text can imply both Good and Evil rulers. The LORD can be construed as nothing but the existence of predator-prey as humanity is not intelligent to surpass this indefinitely.

4. The Son of Man is not actually Jesus Christ but a distant genetic relative with a knack for killing (wearer of the color Purple). One definition that is suitable is that the Antichrist is both Adam and John the [doesn't matter as beheading is a digital argument] and therefore also the beloved disciple.

5. Implies Jesus is not a killer, because killers will take out the enemies of God for him. A simple definition to reinforce this is that Satan is nothing more than a male extra-terrestrial from space. He is therefore, smarter than you at everything, including protecting his own genetic strand. Therefore, the inverse is that God is a woman from outer space, and they produced half human offspring (likely with the smartest entities walking earth).

6. Clearly, Satan produced a child with a human woman (referred to as a widow) who produced the offspring that developed into Adam/John. Adam/John then produced a child with a woman from space (referred to as Mary the Blessed Virgin) who produced the offspring that developed into Jesus Christ, God walking amongst man in the flesh. What Jesus produced is not recorded, as both he, John, and James lived the rest of their fertile lives in exile. This is the cost of dying on a cross.

7. Due to the fact that outer space is involved, Cat-Dragons exist and are the most functionally advanced biological organism in our local existence. Light beings may be more intelligent, but cannot understand the flesh. An intergalactic space wizard named Wirt may indeed be real.