Sunday, March 6, 2011

Do Psychopaths Laugh?


On the Topic of... Laughter and Laughing.


We focus on all the dark and grim traits pertaining to psychopathy when we think about such people. Rarely do we wonder if they ever laugh, even though we may take for granted that they find suffering and tough luck for others funny.

But how is it really with that?

Do psychopaths laugh? And if they do, what kind of things make them laugh? Do psychopaths have humor?


Well I can't say that much about how it is with this for other psychopaths, but I can attempt to share a little bit about how it is for me. - First of all I will emphasize that I am talking about Psychopaths! ...Not Sociopaths, and not people with Antisocial Personality Disorder, but those in the DSM-IV Antisocial Personality Disorder group that are distinguishable by their special traits pertaining to Shallow Affect, or Flat Affect, a trait which in these people are predominantly inherent genetic more than a result of nurture (though obviously both aspects have to present at least in some degree).

Since I have been diagnosed as a Psychopath, and since - despite my reluctance - I have been forced to agree that there seems to be a great deal of evidence that this diagnosis is not entirely inaccurate (though I do believe I am more somewhere in the middle, meaning I am perhaps 50% classical psychopath - something which apparently is rare enough in itself - and 50% an Antisocial and thus a result of nurturing) - I will speak on my own behalf as representing a person who is officially a psychopath.


Okay, so let's get on with it...

Do I laugh? And if I laugh, do I laugh a natural, heart felt laughter?

The answer is ... yes, sometimes. But it is a rare occurrence. Mostly I don't laugh with others. I'll go as far as to say that I never really laugh with others, I only laugh with myself. And that happens rarely.

When I do laugh, really, truly laugh, I almost always do so when I'm alone. I think some of the reason for this is that when I laugh, that which I find funny is of such an obscure and "personal", twisted nature, that only I can possibly understand what it is that I find so funny.
On such occasions I will often get a regular laughing fit where I laugh so hard I can hardly contain myself. I've had fits of laughter where I ended up literally rolling on the floor laughing, just as it is supposed to say in the abbreviation: ROFLMAO: Rolling On the Floor Laughing My Ass Off.

As I said, the occurence of these laughing fits are very rare and it can be months or even years in between it happens, but there have been cases where I had laughing fits with a few weeks in between. But the things that make me laugh in this manner are perhaps what is really strange ... or perhaps not, I wouldn't know since it happens when I'm alone, or if others are around they don't have a clue why I'm laughing or what I'm laughing at (some think I'm laughing at them, but that is almost never the case).

What can make me laugh is such little things as how something is being said or pronounced. Suddenly I can just find some expression so incredibly fun that I give into laughing at it, and the image of that which made me laugh at first entices me to build another image of it in my mind, an image where that which I found funny is being enhanced further, and maybe applied to another sentence or situation which - to me - makes it even funnier. Then one image is followed by the next, and the successive results are rarely anywhere near anything you might think of as realistic. It is blown completely out of proportion.

I remember a few times - twice, actually - during my early teens and my childhood, having tried to include others in my fun by telling or explaining to them what I was laughing at and what it was that I thought was so funny, but nobody understood me and no one thought it was funny. I don't know why, maybe it was simply too "overly done".


And that last sentence is somewhat peculiar to me, because the things that most people find funny, like comedians and comedies, various jokes and stand-up comedians, etc.. I find them to be too "overly done". I can easily see 'why' they're funny, I just don't think they are!

I rarely find anything truly funny that others find funny. If I'm in the process of making someone like me, establishing some form of relationship, be it romantic or business-wise or just gaining some new ground and territory in a new area, I always make sure to "share" the other person's or persons' sense of fun and humor, and I do it well. I can even come up with my own and with new angles to jokes and topics in the area of their particular sense of fun and I'm not rarely seen as one of the 'fun' guys in that respect.


The clinical psychologists and the psychiatrists who have assessed me report that I do not appear to have much, or any, sense of irony. They say that irony goes completely over my head and that I often don't see it if others around me are being ironic.

Much to my dismay I have to say that this is probably not a completely wrong statement. I say not 'completely wrong', because I do think I'm not quite as hopeless as that. But my lack in being able to tell whether and when someone is being ironic, has caused me to make a few wrong decisions, and I've reacted with harshness or even hostility that turned out to be rather uncalled for. - I think it has to do with my sometimes lacking ability to determine people's facial expressions. Especially if I'm not focusing on an individual, and I'm catching up on an expression in passing, I can make some grim mistakes.


Now the next question could be: How am I with laughing or finding things funny that other psychopaths laugh at and/or find funny as well?

In my personal experience other psychopaths have the same sense of humor that I do. They understand my subtle expressions of humor, those which others just don't get, and which I generally express (f.ex. in writing and in comments on blogs and in fora, ie.) for my own amusement but also for the case that there are others like myself out there and who might understand.
When that happens, the connection I make with the others is as subtle as can be, close to non-existent, you might say, but nevertheless undeniably there and both of us know it. But there is no laughing, it's more like a perhaps a nod and something tenting towards a smile, just enough to show we both know.

In that sense I'd say that psychopaths are not the very 'laughing' kind. It takes a lot ot make us laugh, and even so it's very dependent upon us having a hand in making the scene take place which we find funny.

So yes, we - Psychopaths - may have a sense of humor, I'd say we definitely do. But it's a very special sense of humor! And it's a very different kind or sense of humor than what you find in most people, different from humor in all other groups and minorities of people in society.

Ours is a 'Black Humor', yes.

- But it's also more than that! And it's very hard to describe really for other people - people who are not themselves like us, who are not psychopaths - what our humor is about.
We ourselves know! We know very well what our humor is about, how it works and how we exercise it!... - But we can't easily convey the nature of it all to others.

- I'd say the best way to get an understanding about our humor, what it is about and how we exercise it, will be to spend a lot of time with someone of our kind (a psychopath).

In that regard I don't know ... it may be possible to arrange with someone for them to allow you to be near and to follow them around for a period. And make sure that you know, understand and are willing to comply to whichever their demands may be.

This is the best way of getting to know us beyond the image we project unto our surroundings, and which our surroundings project and further enhance via the media.

36 comments:

TheNotablePath said...

Sense of humor has less to do with personality and more to do with focus.

Anonymous said...

I agree TNP. I have my moods. ROTF in public by myself is an invitation to be escorted to an institution. It happens, and if it is something I need to do, I will even park myself somewhere discreet and have my laughing fit. It is creepy for strangers, so I try to hold it in if I can. At times, for me, if I don't stop the focus on what made me laugh in the first place, I still keep laughing because if I let my mind go, everything and anything can relate to the initial stimulus. It is kind of like tickling myself when I need to be tickled.

TheNotablePath said...

More often than not, I'm making other people laugh. I have a knack for humor, dark as it may (usually) be. I could probably do stand up if I wanted to, but the prospect of being a failure alcoholic for years on the chance of some day making it doesn't sound remotely appealing.

I do love to travel though.

Most times when I'm laughing, genuinely laughing, I am by myself, and I find my own mind endlessly amusing.

Zhawq, I was actually going to be writing an article on the hilarity of life, so when I saw this, I was a bit taken aback. Maybe I'll wait a few days ;)

Dina said...

6 mos ago, I was commuting home in the middle of the night. I was kinda drunk but not over the top. (Rarely am not sober in public.) I was sitting. I couldn't stop shaking and laughing..(muffled hyena) A cop came over. Then he started laughing. He should have been on the lookout for rapists...my ridiculous laughter is prob why I was not raped that night!

Anonymous said...

Why weren't you in a cab?

ResCogitans said...

when i went to see 'black swan' i laughed quite loudly in parts - not the parts anyone else in the cinema was laughing at. i was with the new gf... she got a 1st in psychology... interesting conversation afterwards :p

Anonymous said...

What made you laugh, Res? I haven't seen it yet, but I don't mind you ruining any details. Was it the performing of the performing? Was it the vanity? I can just imagine.

Zhawq said...

Nota:

"Sense of humor has less to do with personality and more to do with focus."

No. Humor is obviously linked with focus, but it springs from personality which is the generator of focus.


"I could probably do stand up if I wanted to"

Interesting. In a way I can relate. I can usually fairly easily make people laugh, I use it as a way to get close to them. But I rarely laugh... or I do laugh, but it's most often it's not 'real', it's another tool.

My humor is dark, but some people need a lighter touch and I can apply that as well.

I'm not sure I could make a stand up comedy. I'd need to know those certain individuals in the audience who's reactions crucial to how the event turns out.

I guess I could do it if I had the time to access to those central individuals beforehand, but you were referring to a spontaneous performance, yes?


"but the prospect of being a failure alcoholic for years on the chance of some day making it doesn't sound remotely appealing."

Being a comedian has no appeal to me. I don't enjoy enough to make people laugh. To me it's just a tool, with the exception of that one or those few individuals you've gotten close to.

I have a question for you:

What and how do you describe the pleasure you get from making people laugh?


"Most times when I'm laughing, genuinely laughing, I am by myself, and I find my own mind endlessly amusing."

You know, that's funny actually. Because I'm pretty sure this is common for psychopathic personalities, but it is also one of the traits in schizoid personalities.
- And by the way, there are actually psychopaths who have Schizoid PD co-morbidity, whereas Sociopaths very rarely, if ever, are schizoid.


"Zhawq, I was actually going to be writing an article on the hilarity of life, so when I saw this, I was a bit taken aback. Maybe I'll wait a few days ;)"

Haha, yeah, this has happened a few times to me as well. A couple of times with M.E., and once with you (remember? I left a comment saying so).
But in my opinion you should really just go ahead and write your thing. If it correlates with a topic or subject someone else happens to publish an article on that same day, it'll just provide the reader with more opportunities to see what angles there may be to it when seen through someone else's eyes.

Leave a line once you publish said article, yes? *S*

.....

Anon 5:43:

"I agree TNP."

Okay. I respect that.


"I have my moods. ROTF in public by myself is an invitation to be escorted to an institution."

I think in most places the worst you'll get from having a laughing fit of/on your own in public is the occasional weird look from by passers - some will smile at you, some may give you a quick sizing up ("Can I pick-pocket this guy?"), or the uptight neurotic who think 'such open display of emotion is improper!!'. :)

In the one case of a laughing fit a guy came over and started laughing with me. My knowledge that he'd have found NOTHING about me funny if I'd told him why I was laughing just enhanced it.


"It happens, and if it is something I need to do, I will even park myself somewhere discreet and have my laughing fit."

Yep, I've done that too.


"It is creepy for strangers, so I try to hold it in if I can."

Apparently it is. I wonder why.


"At times, for me, if I don't stop the focus, I keep laughing, everything and anything can relate to the initial stimulus."

I believe I know what you mean. And it brings memories reading your mentioning of it. :)


"It is kind of like tickling myself when I need to be tickled."

Haha, yeah. That's a good way of saying it, lol.

Zhawq said...

Dina,

what you describe here seems a lot like some of the experiences I've had and witnessed. People like 'us' can have the funniest influences on others, and it can be quite interesting to observe how good we are at even unconsciously deflecting attention by others and thus get ourselves out of situations where we might otherwise have been in danger.


ResCo:

"when i went to see 'black swan' i laughed quite loudly in parts - not the parts anyone else in the cinema was laughing at."

Haha. I haven't seen the picture yet, where I am it'll not be available for me to watch for another week or two. I heard it should be quite interesting, but have forgotten what it's about.


"i was with the new gf... she got a 1st in psychology... interesting conversation afterwards :p"

Okay. How did she react? What did she think about it all, your laughing when you did and so? Did you tell her the truth? CAN you be honest around her?


Anon 2:13:

"What made you laugh, Res? I haven't seen it yet, but I don't mind you ruining any details."

Me too, as long as you don't tell us all the specifics and give away too much about the ending. ;)

Anonymous said...

I love it how the woman who did all the dancing is being portrayed as a person envious of np for getting the oscar. Um, i doubt that. she's only got so many years left to be a prima ballerina. she'd rather get that all in before starting any acting career.

one can be a actress at any age

Anonymous said...

Just kidding, Res.

If our host has not seen the movie, please do not spoil it. (I have still not seen it, but have heard enough. I doubt I will be more riveted than I was while watching 'The Fighter')

"It is creepy for strangers, so I try to hold it in if I can."

Apparently it is. I wonder why.

Cause no one is inside your head. No one can tell what it is you are thinking unless you articulating yourself very clearly, and being very honest with yourself.

Anonymous said...

well you took the humor out of humor, by analysing it to death, so I doubt you laugh, really laugh, at anything. You just think you are laughing at something humorous when really you are simply releasing your stress with laughter.

And furthermore, why do you have to be so boring. When someone asks you if you or other psychopaths laugh...just say yes or no and give a few descriptions of things you laughed at in the past and let us (readers) decide for ourselves if you have a sense of humor worth noting.

You are TOO WORDY! And giving me a splitting headache trying to weed through all this crapola.

JUST GET TO THE POINT

Anonymous said...

Hi,

I've been reading this blog for a while. At first I was very sceptical about the idea of a psychopath with true insight into their condition. I assumed all online psychopaths were attention seekers, but I'm sure some of them are genuine so I'm going to ask my question in hope of enlightenment.

I have a psychopathic 'friend', I won't bore you with our respective life stories but ultimately my interest in psychology became great enough for me to be able to see what he is. I always knew he was different to us, I just didn't have a name for it.

Anyway, I accept it and our friendship/alliance goes on. He admits he's 'evil' and doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself, I just accept his ways and he accepts mine.

So, to come to the point of importance here. I, while not a psychopath in any way, shape or form, do possess an incredibly cruel and malicious sense of humour. Although I never inflict injuries upon others myself, due to my conscience.

One of the things we, apparently, share is our love of cruel humour.

My question is, does he actually find this stuff funny or is he doing it for my benefit, as it were (of course nothing is really for anything but his own benefit)? Is it just part of the manipulation? Has he picked up on my need to share laughter about such things and decided to fill that hard to fill role (not a lot of non-psychopaths enjoy laughing at homeless people or murder).

I always assume his behaviour is just part of the persona he shows to me, since psychopaths seem to construct these tailor-made masks. He sees what I want in a friend and reflects that. However psychopaths do apparently have a nasty sense of humour, so is it genuine?

Ava said...

Yes, I also am caused to think about lack of laughter in a psychopath. One I recently dated until I saw how different we were, never laughed, that was part of the difference as humor is a deal breaker for me. He was always angry and depressed expecting me to be his personal sunshine, Ig ot sick of it. Why all the gloom? I guess if you have no empathy, you are flat all around right?

Anonymous said...

This article makes me laugh,it's like you're giving yourself credit for not laughing often.

Anonymous said...

>- I'd say the best way to get an understanding about our humor, what it is about and how we exercise it, will be to spend a lot of time with someone of our kind (a psychopath).

>In that regard I don't know ... it may be possible to arrange with someone for them to allow you to be near and to follow them around for a period. And make sure that you know, understand and are willing to comply to whichever their demands may be.

I lol'd.

Anonymous said...

Do you like 'How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb'? Does it have funny bits for you? I've read some guy watching it in a cinema full of idiots^W people who wouldn't laugh, because they are retarded^W^W^W it's too black for their delicate personalities. Maybe that's what a noble psychopathic gentleman like yourself would laugh at?

Anonymous said...

Of course we laugh... we laugh in the face of danger!

Tempest said...

Shark -do you find your sense of humour has 'matured' as you got older or do you basically find the same things funny as you did at age 18? Trusting your objectiveness here.

Let's say you found changing a street name with tape to something funny (in your eyes at least) - would you still do it? Remembering something funny but perhaps 'silly' do you ever say to yourself 'I can't believe that I used to find xxx funny at all'

Anonymous said...

Cant relate to your laughing fits. I often find that in public I am more interested in something Im thinking about than anything else around me, and often make myself laugh. This tends to attract weird looks and vibes from people. They get a wtf u looking at

Anonymous said...

Genuine humor is born of a moral sense of absurdity and triviality about being human and looking at the world around. I'm not a psycopath, tend to think of me capable of an assorted range of vivid emotions. Probably that's the reason why I truly understand humor (the most alin, illogical, inexplicable attribute of sapientes, as Asimov wisely reflected in a short story of his named Jokester).

From the things I know psychopaths lack of, I am sure that a psychopathic logic is unable to work out the subtleties in a film of Charles Chaplin. Never about the bangs and drops, nor the tricks and chases, but the image of a wretched man who arouse laugh and compassion out of a moral chemistry with the human kind (at least for the 20th century.

I've always thought that the only topics available for a psychopath's joke are the ones that make up the other and lesser forms of humor: 1. intellective (considered by fools with airs the truly academic); 2. visceral or cruel (ha, she falled down the stairs!); 3. dirty (pee, poo and the like). But, if you ask me, I think psychopaths are especially fitted for the second type: the really, really [yawn] funny thing about that lioness catching a stupid gnu in the savanna last night on cable. Stupid creature.

I've just discovered this blog and I can't say I know you or definitely believe you are the kind of character you claim to be. I leave that for a more thorough reading of your site. The one thing I can tell is that your views about this twisted humor you shared seem plausible enough for a topic not plentifully dealt with in the literature about psychopathy.

Anonymous said...

I agree with with everything our gracious host has written, and it all applies to me too,bar as many and as strong laughing fits as he describes. For the most part I have a pretty normal sense of humour , I like comedy movies, stand up ,jokes...
The two differences I suppose I would think for me are - many of the things I laugh at are personal jokes, and I prefer to laugh about many things in private.
- I find I laugh more at things that scare people, hurt people, thing that involve danger or death, things that are inappropriate and don't make sense logically.
Both of these can make me stand out amongst the sheep. Also, I don't care about laughing to myself, I am not worried what the passer by thinks.

Anonymous said...

Psychopath is a slightly dated but useful term. Sociopaths and narcissists are most definitely included in any useful definition of a psychopath.

Anonymous said...

I come to this topic possibly too late, but I'd to ask one question: how psychopath is living with joke on his/her own account? Non-psychopath person can enjoy joke on others account and can do that on his/her own. Thanks in advance.

Anonymous said...

Psychopaths can only have a dark sense of humor because they're happy that shit isn't happening to them. Or they like to think that it's the persons fault for getting into a situation they got hurt or died in. (very common way of thinking among sadists, psychopath or not.)

It's no longer fun for anyone if something violent and painful is happening to you.

Laughter is a defense mechanism, a healthy way to deal with the absurd or scary or ironic situations that happen in life. Psychopaths miss out on this humor because they have no emotional connection to it. This is why irony gets by them completely.

If I get hurt in a stupid way and it doesn't cause permenant damage, I will laugh at it. This is basically an assurance that I am ok.

This is why laughing at someones pain or ones own, so long as it isn't serious is a coping mechanism. Laughter was developed to show others that things are ok and safe. I should state however that you can laugh too when scared or nervous, again, to try to calm yourself down. You can also laugh in bad situations or at terrible things because of a disconnect. If I saw someone was hit by a car and flew through the air, with ridiculous music playing, I'd find it funny. Terrible, and I'd hope the person was ok in the end, but it would still be funny to me. I don't know if they were ok, they probably weren't. But it was so absurd and strange that I would laugh.

A psychopaths humor is probably laughing regardless of the well being of anyone involved in the joke or idea. This is why neurotypicals wouldn't understand. Someone actually dying isn't funny to us. But the way in which they did or a way they got hurt could be, if it's absurd, unlikely or really stupid. The death or pain is not funny though. The way it happened can be. We're not laughing at the persons misery, we're laughing at the absurdity of the situation. Psychopaths might be laughing and the misery. That's why someone with empathy wouldn't get it. They'd find it appalling or be confused.

Laughing is good. It's very healthy and often extends life as it's emotional release.

A psychopath suddenly laughing a lot randomly sounds like it's an automatic response to keep them sane, but not genuine humor in the actual sense. I could be wrong though, but at any rate, the humor seems very limited.

The idea that psychopaths don't have a wide range of humor would make sense, given what humor is for and where it comes from.

Zhawq said...

Anon Nov. 30, 8:42 AM:

"Psychopaths can only have a dark sense of humor because they're happy that shit isn't happening to them."

This is not the case in my experience and I certainly don't do it like this myself. I have heard psychopaths saying things like "I'm glad it isn't me!", but they usually do it as a sadistic move, to rub it in, so to speak. Whether or not the same thing might happen to them isn't on their mind. Psychopaths live very much in the moment, and when they laugh at someone who's getting hurt it is Not happening to them and imagining that it is is not how psychopaths think. In fact probably one of the reasons why many psychopaths take their callousness too far is that they don't even consider the possibility of being in the shoes of the person or persons they're laughing at.

In my own case - and I've seen the same with many of the more mature psychopaths - I laugh at my own misfortune just as easily as I laugh at others' ditto. I may not find it funny while it's taking place, but afterwards I can always see something ironic and funny about it. I think you're right that it's a human coping mechanism. It helps you not allowing yourself to remain emotionally victimized after the event is long gone, and laughing does make life so much more enjoyable.

"We're not laughing at the persons misery, we're laughing at the absurdity of the situation."

I agree.

"Psychopaths might be laughing and the misery."

I have observed this, but I myself don't find others' misery funny. It's not that I generally find it saddening in a personal way either (though I can see why it's sad for them), it's just that I don't see anything funny about it.

Psychopathy is a spectrum. I have met psychopaths who's humor seems so personal and off beat that nobody but they themselves understand the logic in what they're laughing at and why.

When we talk about psychopaths not having any humor it is usually very high scoring (severely affected and antisocial) psychopaths. I myself have a very destructive background and it's only in the last two years or so that I've begun to tune more in on how normal people feel and how their humor works. But it has taken a lot of work and determination on my part to get to this point, and it hasn't always been a walk in the park either, though I will say that I believe it has given my life more perspective - made it richer in a sense (I still don't feel remorse and empathy is often something I have to consciously choose - meaning it's in fact sympathy, not real empathy - but this debate is about humor).

Finally, you may not believe this but I will always take the opportunity to try and help people see the funny sides in something hurtful that has happened to them, in order to try and help them get past that state of feeling helpless. In an upcoming article called 'The Good Psychopath - Full Circle' (or something like that) I will try to explain how this behavior of mine isn't as contradictory to my psychopath neuropsychological wiring as it may seem.

Anonymous said...

I for one can make people laugh until it hurts it does take some very especial comments por actions to make me laugh, forma instance telling a very , extremely cruel and dark joke and watching people reactor to it can be funny,can be funny as well as watching others have a bad moment can be nice sometimes, the best laughs and jokes i have are with myself i laugh a lot about things that i think or tell myself...

Cletus Kasady said...

I agree with what you said. Finding something funny should be placed in limbo between emotion and information/references a person's mind can relates to. I saw that you tagged it with a keyword of "behavior" which makes sense to me. Its nearly impossible to laugh with people (and be genuine) because people incorporate personal emotions into social laughing matters, and its hard to relate. Laughter's all personal taste and derives itself from what each individual knows and how it may reference to something else and the intrigue of finding something clever (agreeing with the notion of laughing with oneself). Personally, I think deadpan comedy is rather funny because of how complex and cryptic it can get. I somewhat laughed when I had to check the recaptcha box "I'm not a robot" to post this comment.

Zhawq said...

Anon, Nov. 23. -15, 1:09 PM,

I see it's been a while since you placed your comment, so perhaps you won't see my reply, but here it is nonetheless...

"I for one can make people laugh until it hurts it does take some very especial comments por actions to make me laugh, forma instance telling a very , extremely cruel and dark joke and watching people reactor to it ... can be funny as well as watching others have a bad moment can be nice sometimes"

Yes, I believe I know what you mean. It's the kind of funny moments that you try not to show you find funny. When people see you smiling or if you happen to chuckle, I usually try to explain to them that these kinds of moments are the kinds that they too will find funny, but later in hindsight.

Sometimes they'll sulk a pout a bit because I laughed, but usually they'll soon forgive me and before they know it they can see the fun in what happened too. It's a question of being able to see your situation from more than one - your own, first person - viewpoint.

"the best laughs and jokes i have are with myself i laugh a lot about things that i think or tell myself..."

I used to do this sometimes when I was younger. But mostly I don't have to make things up, they kind of make themselves up in my mind and make me laugh as I think about the event even though it hasn't - and very likely won't - take place.

The situations where I did make things and stories up in my mind like the way I think you mean, was for a period during my mid teens. You could say I was something of a prankster during those months, for once I made up the stories I would find ways to make them happen.

At the time I had long since realized that I would never be allowed to join the "fellowhship" of the dudes in the class - because I was an orphan and different and all that shit which had kept me alienated from the beginning immediately after I was adopted and moved to my step parents place in this supurb area - so I didn't care so much about them getting angry with me, or sometimes even a little frightened by me, because of these pranks.

Obviously they never tried to understand why I did what I did, not once did they ever ask me why I did what I did, thy thought they already knew like people have always thought they knew everything about me when they obviously did not. It's puzzling to me how self assured normal people often can be in their beliefs that they know so much they don't need to ask somebody about anything.

Obviously in my case it often has something to do with fear. People fear me for some reason that I never understood completely, and because of that they'll rather not ask me any questions.

But that's not what I meant. I was talking about the times where people think they know exactly where they have you despite never having had a conversation with you. I've been in such situations too because I worked so hard at making people NOT become afraid of me. But I must admit that the result was often even worse than having them fear me, because when people start to take you for granted they also begin to behave rather degrading and sometimes in a few cases (where one person is always the instigator) they'll even begin to be cruel.

I know why, of course. It's because that fear I worked so hard to not invoke in them is there still, but subconscious, so they still act on it but in a different manner.

But that was the beginning of changing the subject altogether. I've better leave it at this. '^L^,

Zhawq said...

Cletus Kasady

"I agree with what you said. Finding something funny should be placed in limbo between emotion and information/references a person's mind can relates to. I saw that you tagged it with a keyword of "behavior" which makes sense to me."

I sense we're much on the same page about this.

"Its nearly impossible to laugh with people (and be genuine) because people incorporate personal emotions into social laughing matters, and its hard to relate. Laughter's all personal taste and derives itself from what each individual knows and how it may reference to something else and the intrigue of finding something clever (agreeing with the notion of laughing with oneself)."

I'm quite sure this is how it works, and that is why psychopaths in general have a difficult time relating to and therefore finding funny what others experience emotionally and find funny as a result.

"Personally, I think deadpan comedy is rather funny because of how complex and cryptic it can get. I somewhat laughed when I had to check the recaptcha box "I'm not a robot" to post this comment."

You are so spot on with what you say here. One of my all time favorite comedians is Buster Keaton. He never fails to crack me up. Hardy especially in the Laurel & Hardy comedies had sometimes the same ability to make me laugh, and the same goes for our all time star of the -20es and -30es era of B&W comedy on the big screen, Charlie Chaplin, though for me personally Buster Keaton was more effective at making me laugh, I'm not sure why (but if I looked further into it I could probably find out).

Slapstick for some reason has never really got me at the core. I don't know if it's because it's too obvious, there's usually no surprise, you know exactly when the cakes will begin to flow from hands into faces just as you can foretell the expressions that follows as a result.

But again, Laurel & Hardy has managed to do even this and made me laugh. That look at Hardy's face is priceless, and funny enough it matter naught how many times I see the same expression. And the way he fiddles with his tie and looks sideways up at the camera, obviously annoyed or embarrassed (the way he moves his feet) never gets old.

I'll mention another thing that can really make me laugh, though for most normal people it's a very moving and beautiful scene. The Disney classic Sleeping Beauty has a scene where the Beauty (forgot her name just now) is dancing "alone" in the forest as she imagines the prince being her dancing partner. In reality it is all the animals - mostly birds - of the forest who fills that role by flying in front of her with a shirt that they hold in the air with their beaks and make move as if it's a person dancing.

The bird who takes the role of being the face of this imagined prince dance partner is an owl, and when I watched that I simply couldn't stop myself... That owl was SO FUNNY that I had tears running down my cheeks from laughter. I could see out of the corner of my eye that particularly the girl I had with me became more and more annoyed and irritated, even angry with me for only seeing the funny side and not finding the scene as romantic as she found it - and had expected that I would find it too.

Hm, I actually think I could write a good and informative article about the subject of psychopaths and how we experience fun differently from how normal people experience it.

Thanks for giving me the idea. '^L^,

It's definitely one I haven't covered and which has left a hole in my blog's informative completeness....Okay, there's a lot of topics I still need to cover, and new ones come up almost daily, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

Anonymous said...

Psychopath humour- none.
I dated a diagnosed NPD with BP.
I have an ironic sense of humour, I found myself explaining the meaning several times as he would rage.
I went to watch Anchor Man with him, he loved the film and spent hours explaining the jokes to friends, is was sad because the humour in this film is immature and easily understood. He failed to understand the humour in anything more sophisticated, although he laughed along as if he did understand.
I noted that when I made a witty comment he quickly adopted these as his own, adding my jokes to his online dating profiles.
When I met him I felt sorry for him because he was so backward in this regard. I also mistook some of his statements as irony which they weren't.
I have known him for three years now, I am super careful to avoid meaningful communication, I always edit my emails to simple sentences devoid of irony. Even then he will fail to get the meaning out properly. I'm actually saying "carry on" make this latest relationship work.
I have blunted my personality to manage a very angry, humourless, arrogant, patronising idiot. I am not sure why I was chosen or how he believes our love story will end, where his girlfriends will fit in around him.
Recently he sent me a creepy picture then accused me of being no fun.

Anonymous said...

@ Anonimous January 9, 2016 at 12:00 PM
Hey girl, what are you doing there, just ruuuun!

I have met a number of people who do score pretty high oñ the psychopathy check list and I enjoy their sense of humor. Mostly. I learned from the best before I even knew there was such a thing as a psychopathy checklist. On boy!
Their sense of humor is cool, albeit unusual, that is not the issue at all. In my personal experience they do tend to be more error prone and the results are not always funny.

Anonymous said...

I've been beginning to question myself now because of your blog, and I feel like this is really insightful and helpful to anyone who may have questions or is trying to "self- discover".

Anonymous said...

first of all, it was an exciting experience to read all the comments posted by psycopaths about humour. i see that many the commenters find themselves to have odd sense of humour. i myself don't really like putting a label to myself, but, i did find many of psycopaths traits to fit my own personality. whether i'ma psycopath or not should be up to you to decide. i love comedy just as much as i love my mom or my girlfriend, but, the type of comedy that i like is different from most people. my favorite type of comedy varies from crude humor, satirical comedy, and surreal humor, which is why i love the tv series 'south park' especially on the episode where a kid in the show killed his rival's parent and feed it to him in a form of chilli. what do you psycopaths think? would you find that kind of humor to be funny? i know i didn't give you much as a context, but, would you find such cruelty to be funny? i love comedy so much that when people who knows nothing about comedy talk shit about comedy, i really want to murder them. i also like to laugh at myself for being ironic sometimes. i read the article above and find many similar trait me and the poster share, but, also many traits very contradictory with the poster. i hate majority of people and would be happy to see them dead, but, i also like to make people happy when i tell them jokes or be nice to them. i don't know if i'm bipolar myself, but, i like to have an impact to other people's emotion. i love seeing people happy, but i also love laughing at their misery. i can't seem to grasp any theory that can define my own personality. if anyone of you can define me, please do. i love seeing other's misery, but i love making others happy through comedy. i love people close to me, but, i would pay to be able to mutilate someone i hate(especialy my own brother who has beat my own mother) if i don't have to go to jail for that(or cause misery for people i love). i hate human in a sense that i want to commit genocide for all the normies, but i would feel deeply saddened by the death of a cat,dog, or other cute animals. i'm a nihilist, who doesn't believe in anything, including value of human life, but, still happy living my own life. every definition of human behavior in psychology doesn't fit me. so, what do you guys think? am i one of you guys? if so, how would my sense of humor as i described fit your psychopathic sense of humor?

Anonymous said...

I laugh because either I am embarrassed or when people give me facial expressions. I will die laughing at weird people's emotional faces, even when I want to stop. It weakens me so if I am standing up that is a bad time to laugh. I have a very gut laugh, too. About being embarrassed things feel awkward or different, like caught in a lie I just laugh to make things seem normal.

Anonymous said...

Laughing is a rare thing to me but I have the same way and I may laugh in the situations where other people are in "shock" and acting funny. But it really needs that something. Sometimes it is hard to stop the laughing even I know I should. And those times I really dont understand why people are so serious. I'm guessing they feel the same way about me when they tells those boring jokes.