Wednesday, February 2, 2011

Something for the Victims!...

We're all made for Something!

Nancy Sinatra: 'These Boots are made for Walking'.

I've decided this blog should not represent only the perspective of the psychopaths, or of Sociopaths and people with Antisocial Personality Disorder.
I have openly invited everybody who are interested in a debate about values, Good and Evil, i.e. - people who understand the broad nature of the human condition, and who are interested in - seeking up opportunities! - to learn.

But it then stroke me that I've been forgetting about that certain group of people who make up the vast numbers of people who's self understanding and identity has given name to the famous phenomenon: The Victims of Psychopaths.

Now this is surely a horrible position to find oneself in and I can only imagine the tears that are cried when Two - or Three, or Ten, or Hundreds - of Victims come together and share their misfortune.
I wonder if any competition is happening, like we see it among Antisocials people and Sociopaths when they do their best - or worst, as it is - to make others seem THEM as the most Sociopathic person within the settings of a Blog Forum, f.ex.; I can see it now: One victim putting forth one or two descriptions about the most horribly cold hearted act made by the psychopaths in their lives. only to be topped by one of the co-victims who tell about deeds of an even more horribly sadistic nature made by the psychopath - or by one of the psychopaths - in THEIR life.

But worry not, I am not about to leave anybody out of my all-including embrace as I open my arms wide and welcome you ALL to be part of this journey that I have begun with the introduction of this blog.

As an extra gesture of good will and friendly invitation/welcome to my blog, as hopefully participants, I would like to start out by dedication my latest video upload to you! ...


I've decided this blog should not represent only the perspective of the psychopaths, or of Sociopaths and people with Antisocial Personality Disorder.
I have openly invited everybody who are interested in a debate about values, Good and Evil, i.e. - people who understand the broad nature of the human condition, and who are interested in - seeking up opportunities! - to learn.

But it then stroke me that I've been forgetting about that certain group of people who make up the vast numbers of people who's self understanding and identity has given name to the famous phenomenon: The Victims of Psychopaths.

Now this is surely a horrible position to find oneself in and I can only imagine the tears that are cried when Two - or Three, or Ten, or Hundreds - of Victims come together and share their misfortune.
I wonder if any competition is happening, like we see it among Antisocials people and Sociopaths when they do their best - or worst, as it is - to make others seem THEM as the most Sociopathic person within the settings of a blog forum, f.ex.; I can see it now: One victim putting forth one or two descriptions about the most horribly cold hearted act made by the psychopaths in their lives. only to be topped by one of the co-victims who tell about deeds of an even more horribly sadistic nature made by the psychopath - or by one of the psychopaths - in THEIR life.

But worry not, I am not about to leave anybody out of my all-including embrace as I open my arms wide and welcome you ALL to be part of this journey that I have begun with the introduction of this blog.

As an extra gesture of good will and friendly invitation/welcome to my blog, as hopefully participants, I would like to start out by dedication my latest video upload to you.

Enjoy!...

11 comments:

may contain traces of nuts said...

When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry

You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so fucking special

But I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here

I don't care if it hurts
I want to have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul

I want you to notice
When I'm not around
You're so fucking special
I wish I was special

But I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here

She's running out the door
She's running
She run, run, run, run
Run

Whatever makes you happy
Whatever you want
You're so fucking special
I wish I was special

But I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here
I don't belong here

that was for you zwark X

MrBlake said...

I loved that damned song AND the band since I heard them the first time. I've always been convinced the singer deliberately makes his voice sound sullen-like or whiney so as to fit with the text because I've been seeing it as meant to be sarcastic and ironic.

Ain't seen it in writing before and have to admit those who think it's heartfelt may be right after all.

In a sickly way we can all relate I guess, hehe, like ... y'know, really rubbing it in how despicable we are.

I think this singer is great. Loved listening to his band though this tune is the only one that's stuck with me.

tik said...

Zhawq,I'm open for discussion on morals' whats right and whats wrong.
Maybe bits of a story I'll add here and there.
First off I know that the degrees of sociopathy are on a whole spectrum and one question I have is there any good intentions in S/P's? I think in some their are.that good will and freindly invitation and a s/p is an oxymoron.
I do think

MrBlake said...

tik
if I can add my opinion - I think he was drunk or stoned when he wrote that piece of text. he even double posted.

I know Zhawq - a little - and if I can say so without him coming to kill me in my sleep, there's prolly more 'good' in him than in there is in me. Then again, I never claimed to be good - or bad. Nor do he (Zhawq), but the way I see it he's actually trying to do some 'good'.

I don't believe in it though and I've told him that. I've told him mainstream society'll never be wanting to talk honest with him on neutral ground - as he calls it - they'll always be wanting to try and control us 'cause they think we're evil.

But it's his thing and it's fine with me. I kinda like Zhawq and you seem like a fine dude too. Can't say I ever felt that way about that many people though.

Anyways, that's my opinion.
And yeah, if it's okay I'll join in on a debate on morals too. :)

Zhawq said...

Traces,

'Zwark', is that me?

Anyway, that song ... I think I recognize the text but I can't put my finger on it.

Well, thanks for the input.


MrBlake,

"In a sickly way we can all relate I guess"

Not really. Perhaps to the part that pertains to being aware you're not like most people around you. But it's been described in ways that I think far better reflects how I have felt about it.
F.ex., it seems to be a painful thing to this person, and it sounds like it's about being in love with someone who is popular, which makes him even more self conscious.
I've never felt that way. And I've never had a problem with being different. I always felt I was right about everything, could never see anything wrong about myself in any way when I was younger.

It's different now, of course. I've matured and try to change when I realize I've been wrong, and in that respect I'm not different from anybody else.

What people have a problem with about me is the fact that I know I'm different, but I am fine with it, and I know I have some advantages over most other people and I'm fine with that too.

What they seem to forget is that I'm also aware that I have weaknesses that most others do not have. They've no problems pointing them out to me, of course, often choosing the more demeaning ways to do so that they know of.
That song up there from Traces might be an example of that. :)

Zhawq said...

tik,

hi there! :)

"Zhawq,I'm open for discussion on morals' whats right and whats wrong.
Maybe bits of a story I'll add here and there."

That sounds great! I'd like that.
And I'd be very interested in the story also. Exchange is what this is all about, and even though I can seem a bit ... opinionated, shall we say, in my texts, they're largely based on certain isolated feelings that don't really pertain to the individual person, but to more general things I've encountered throughout my life.

In reality I am open towards each person and strive to meet everybody will the same honesty and consideration I'd like for others to show towards me.

So I'm definitely in!


"First off I know that the degrees of sociopathy are on a whole spectrum and one question I have is there any good intentions in S/P's?"

As an individual who has been given the diagnosis Psychopath I guess I am qualified to answer that question.

I do want to say first though, that strictly speaking I've always been of the opinion that I am not a psychopath.
But anyway, here goes:

There can most definitely and for absolutely certain be good intentions in a psychopath.

I am such a psychopath!

What I am doing here with my blog is mainly with the aim of somehow helping or assisting in generating the possibility that something good can come from what I have to say, that my input will be of use as material from a different source than the usual, which is from prison inmates - something those who do the research themselves have been pointing out on many occasions is limiting and making incomplete the whole picture of what psychopathy is and how a psychopath actually thinks and feels.

I am, in a way, putting my ass on line here, and I wouldn't do that just for pleasure. There're so many other ways I could get pleasure.

"I think in some their are.that good will and freindly invitation and a s/p is an oxymoron.
I do think"

I have observed good intentions in other sociopaths and antisocials also.
So yes, it can definitely happen, and it does happen.

The oxymoron notion stems from the generalized and stereotypical definition of a psychopath, or a sociopath, and especially of an ASPDer, who often do not have the flat affection of the psychopath.

They were good questions, by the way! :)

Zhawq said...

Blake,

you mention an interesting point... 'mainstream society being the party who doesn't want to meet US on even ground.

That may be true, but it's because they're stuck with their stereotypes, as I explained above.

It is part of the reason I'm doing this. If I thought they'd be forthcoming on their own, I'd not need to make a blog. Normal people would invite openly for people like me to do so, and they'd have no reason to not react to that, since they'd have nothing to loose, only potential gain.

MrBlake said...

Zhawq
"you mention an interesting point..."

Thanks pal.

Anonymous said...

For me,knowing what's right and wrong is often seen in retrospect.

My closest friends-- some with BPD, body dismorphia, or general bitterness about their misfortunes of their past, find my innate "ability" to hurt comical, and powerful.

A lot of my feminist friends think I have a gift. I get confused about that notion. I just do it unconsciously.

But I smile when they tell me (sometimes lmao). I secretly savor the possibility that I may have caused pain in people who I think deserved it. I have a variety of symptoms of several pds, so I won't call myself a psychopath.

Anonymous said...

Correction:

A lot of my men friends feel the same way.

Zhawq said...

Anonymous,

sorry about my belated response.


"For me,knowing what's right and wrong is often seen in retrospect."

Okay. I think that's probably not unusual, but it does pose a good question: What about morals? Does it mean you sometimes act hastily?

(Like I clearly did with that blog entry! I'm not proud of it and will likely delete it.)


"My closest friends-- some with BPD, body dismorphia, or general bitterness about their misfortunes of their past, find my innate "ability" to hurt comical, and powerful."

The way you phrase this makes it seem that you are probably antisocial/sociopath/ie. yourself?

If your friends find it comical though, it may not be so hurtful after all. I generally find that people need a lot of "I'm sorry" and remorseful display from you once you have genuinely hurt them before they'll even talk to you, or at least before they'll open up to you again.

It's only those you get very, very close to - close enough to alter their initial views on reality and morals - who'll find your having hurt them funny. And even then, they have to force themselves into the mode of seeing things from your perspective.

Whether this is possible at all depends upon how deeply you hurt someone. Hurt someone deep enough and they'll never find anything funny again!


"But I smile when they tell me (sometimes lmao). I secretly savor the possibility that I may have caused pain in people who I think deserved it. I have a variety of symptoms of several pds, so I won't call myself a psychopath."

I think I was right about what I mentioned above: You have traits of Sociopathy and AsPD, but most likely other things too, as you say.

Thanks for your input. It is appreciated!