Tuesday, February 1, 2011

That Destructive Draw.


Why are we so drawn to destruction?


I wonder why it is that where most people feel horror at the prospect of a post apocalyptic world I think of it as a beautiful idea. I've always had this image of a future world that lies in ruins. Buildings at fire, broken towers, cars sitting empty and abandoned at the side road, crows roaming the city sky and screaming in alarm when newcomers are nearby.

I guess you can say my vision is about anarchy. For the same reason I always loved to watch movies like Madmax or Waterworld.

I love the idea of such Worlds of Destruction, for me they hold such promise! And they represent enormous potential, the possibility of creating something new, of letting some of the old limbic forces come to the surface once again and drive man forward to a new high, a new Golden Age, if you will - or not, as it may be - but this time not in hiding and not under the name of some disease or disorder label, but as the bringer of new life.

The world as it is now in some ways seems worn out, as if it's going nowhere and you find yourself waiting for that day of destruction with longing in your heart. Oh, how you'll revel when that day comes!

Are such the thoughts of a psychopath? Aren't they merely a boy's romantic fantasy?


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Seems the link feature AGAIN does not work.

http://www.madmaxmovies.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterworld

15 comments:

HavenNyx said...

Not just a boys fantasy I imagine. Ever taken a look into post apacolyptic steam punk? It's a scene I've been involved in for years. It embraces that idea of returning to / coming into a time when the old is made new again. Future glory from the destruction of modern days.

may contain traces of nuts said...

watch "The Road", that certainly dissolved all my post apocalypse romanticism, the book was even better/graphic

Medusa said...

No, I've always had the Mad Max fantasy.

Steampunk is just a fashion trend and an excuse to look vintage and wear top hats and shit. People may pretend otherwise, like most goths do. Like metalheads pretending they are Satanists by drawing pentagrams everywhere.

It's one thing to have the fantasy, quite another to deal with the reality of a post-apocalyptic world.

Otherwise, all the psychopaths would have moved to Detroit by now.

notme said...

i've never had this fantasy. If only cos i know people will just re-create what we have now all over again.

I think the love of destruction however, is not in everyone. so, yeah a bit sociopathic. i like chaos and fighting at times, when life is chronically boring, yes. but temporarily. demanding emotions demand a lot of different things i find.

MrBlake said...

HavenNyx
"Not just a boys fantasy I imagine."

Most definitely not!! I aint no 'boy' and I share it too, if perhaps not in the same poetic way that Zhawq seems to do it.

When I was a boy I'd actually play 'bomber' and 'war-mashine' and ruin my sister's 'coffee-table arrangements. I also liked to go and smash windows, first in abandoned houses, later on I'd pick new and more interesting targets like once I tried to smash the window of the in-doors swimming pool at the school I was supposed to attend. I didn't succeed though, that glass was way too thick.

Sounds like I was an awful child eh? I guess that's how it would sound when told out of context.

Then again, come to think of it I always did tend to do things out of context when I was a kid. But not out of malice, I just got bored easily.

Anyway "that destructive draw", yeah guess I can relate.
But I don't wish destruction on the world. That's not it. I don't know what it is. It's just how I am.


may contain traces (etc)
"watch "The Road", that certainly dissolved all my post apocalypse romanticism, the book was even better/graphic"

I heard people talk about this movie. Some said it's great but others say it's not worth the money. so I actually went. But I didn't see it through because - well, I fell asleep - cause to me it was just too much at a stand still. - AND I was very tired too.


Medusa
"Otherwise, all the psychopaths would have moved to Detroit by now."

How's that? Somethin' I aint heard?

Can you just see it - all the psychopaths of the world - the 'primary' psychopaths, the sociopaths, and all the varieties of ASPD'ers, everybody moving to Detroit.
How large would the population be? And more over, how would the rest of the world be?


notme
"people will just re-create what we have now all over again."

not if destruction is done proberly they won't.
But I get what you mean. Guess you're right too. But it's not about destroying the world for good, it about...getting steam off and get room for some new - life.

It's not philosophical At least not for me but I think it is in part philosophical for Zhawq.

Zhawq likes to rationalize his destructive urges. Hehe

tik said...

I was in Detroit just last May, if your into demolition you would love it. No riots though. A hooker in a all rubber outfit, boots, skirt, top and jacket.
Really Mishagin has the highest unemployment rate in our country and thyeir just tearing it down.

MrBlake said...

tik

you sayin' they're tearing buildings down everywhere in Detroit?

Under circumstances like what you're describing here I'd imagine people being more kinda depressed like, and maybe a lot are leaving town too.

Do you know how illegal enterprises are doing with that kind of scene? What about the mayor, what's he saying about it all, giving a lot of promises maybe?


may contain traces...

honey, something in your avatar makes my filter go off, says it contains a mixture of secure and non secure "items"?

Zhawq said...

HavenNyx,

No I haven't looked into Steam Punk. I didn't know it existed until now. I'm afraid I'm horrible uninformed in that way.

I'll check it out.


Traces...,

I'd like to watch The Road. I've heard various opinions about it and at first I decided it might not be worth the money and time. But now I think I'll actually check it out as soon as I can get arranged for a copy to come my way. *S*


Medusa,

"Steampunk is just a fashion trend and an excuse to look vintage and wear top hats and shit."

Ah, okay. Well, I'll check it out, just to see for myself what it's about ... and not least, what the people who are into it are about.
Goths are often cutters, f.ex., damaged and emotionally broken. They CAN actually be 'giving' to be around once in a while

"Otherwise, all the psychopaths would have moved to Detroit by now."

Let's not oversimplify things. Psychopaths and antisocials have different kinds of preferences. Whereas I think the attraction to destruction may in fact be a common trait, I don't think we can predict what kind of destruction everybody are attracted to.

Furthermore, it would take a lot to get even me to move to Detroit even if the circumstances actually were as I described.

My idea of the situation somehow involves that it is worldwide, no way out, no choice to go and get a hot bath and a good steak at a 5 star restaurant in downtown LA. It just wouldn't be complete. And 'completeness' is a fundamental part of this 'vision', if you see what I mean.



notme,

"i've never had this fantasy. If only cos i know people will just re-create what we have now all over again."

Yeah, you're talking about the never-ending cycle, and you're right of course. But you wouldn't come to experience such a recreation of what was. And also, not two cycles will ever be exactly the same.

Do you think that because we know things will just repeat themselves, we should not bother do anything at all?

I say: If things repeat themselves anyway, then what's the harm in trying something new?


Thanks for input, guys!... :)

notme said...

hmm, maybe if you look at it this way. Does this fantasy of yours come from a desire to be at the very top of the food chain so to speak?
In which case, say anarchy comes, and you have your chance to govern as you wish, to dictate and direct this anarchy in a way that pleases you completely. What then? What comes after? Will you grow bored? won't you be targeted by a mutinous bunch of rebels? Say you quash all rebel attempts, still, what would you do with your new-found freedom?

Just out of curiosity.

notme said...

Hey Zhawq
you didn't answer my question...

Zhawq said...

In a way I guess you can say I'd be at the top of the food chain in such a setting, since I would have the freedom to do with the situation my very best and without restrictions, no one to tell me I couldn't do this or that because that wasn't moralistic or 'good'.

But in another way I see it as not being on top of the food chain, since I would now have to rely totally on my ability to survive according to my skills, strength and intelligence.

Would I be stronger than a pack of wolves that happened to come by my camp one night? I'm not so sure.

But if we try your thought experiment and I was the ruler. I would start building the world up again, but do it somewhat differently. I'm not sure it would turn out much different, things have a way of repeating themselves. But I would so love the challenge, to arrange and make things happen, see them come to fruition. Oh, it would be grand!

I'd start with creating a city, or a very large camp. There would have to be some ranking of course, but that would not be a problem in itself since people are different, and most people do tend to thrive better when others give the orders. In that way there's nothing wrong with hierarchy, and no democracy or socialistic reign will ever see it eliminated completely.

That is why democracies usually end with a hidden rulership, where no one knows who really pul the strings and people are therefore at the mercy of those who are the best skilled at deceiving others and deriving power.

When everybody rules, everybody think they have the right to decide what's best for everybody else, and we get a new dictatorship, the dictatorship of the masses.

I see nothing worse than that.

Zhawq said...

An extra word, Notme,

I'm not sure I'd succeed at all. But I would at least have the chance. I would have a chance to fight for it under some very raw and basic circumstances. I guess it's the 'rawness' that appeals to me, the chance to not be tied down by religious traditions and mores. To just be what we basically are: Brilliant animals....or not.

Zhawq said...

In a way I guess you can say I'd be at the top of the food chain in such a setting, since I would have the freedom to do with the situation my very best and without restrictions, no one to tell me I couldn't do this or that because that wasn't moralistic or 'good'.

But in another way I see it as not being on top of the food chain, since I would now have to rely totally on my ability to survive according to my skills, strength and intelligence.

Would I be stronger than a pack of wolves that happened to come by my camp one night? I'm not so sure.

But if we try your thought experiment and I was the ruler. I would start building the world up again, but do it somewhat differently. I'm not sure it would turn out much different, things have a way of repeating themselves. But I would so love the challenge, to arrange and make things happen, see them come to fruition. Oh, it would be grand!

I'd start with creating a city, or a very large camp. There would have to be some ranking of course, but that would not be a problem in itself since people are different, and most people do tend to thrive better when others give the orders. In that way there's nothing wrong with hierarchy, and no democracy or socialistic reign will ever see it eliminated completely.

That is why democracies usually end with a hidden rulership, where no one knows who really pul the strings and people are therefore at the mercy of those who are the best skilled at deceiving others and deriving power.

When everybody rules, everybody think they have the right to decide what's best for everybody else, and we get a new dictatorship, the dictatorship of the masses.

I see nothing worse than that.

Anonymous said...

"In a way I guess you can say I'd be at the top of the food chain in such a setting, since I would have the freedom to do with the situation my very best and without restrictions, no one to tell me I couldn't do this or that because that wasn't moralistic or 'good'."

Wrong. You would be at the bottom. People would be walking on your dead corpse after an angry mob of empaths had killed you. Or.. you would be killed by a rival psychopath... :P


Anarchy is shit because it lets violence flourish. There would be dead bodies littered on the street in broad daylight, you quite possibly being one of them. You would not be able to go the grocery store without getting baseball bat to face and bullets flying past your head and you dont want bullets flying past your head because you want to have sexy time eating delicious donuts, jogging thinking about life and philosophic questions...

"When everybody rules, everybody think they have the right to decide what's best for everybody else, and we get a new dictatorship, the dictatorship of the masses."

Funny, you just described anarchy :) Everybody rules, no compromises.

true democracy works when everybody agrees to make compromises and listen to the majority of people.. If people could use their cellphones to participate in direct democracy, maybe wars would not happen... But one must not forget that media plays an important role here, poisoning the masses with political propaganda instead of unbiased science.

Anarchy may be fun and exciting, to see all this physics/destruction.. but it comes back to haunt you (contaminated drinking water etc)...

-GILFTITS lol

Anonymous said...

yep. I live in hope of a large series of natural disasters to get things rolling. I think this stems from viewing things in terms of power.
We know instinctively that the world at large has been very stable for a long time now, which doesn't allow the next generation a true shot at getting their fair share of power. And if the playing field was levelled for just a short period of time, I would definitely rise to power. Opportunities..... one of these days !